Will the USA default?

**mashman** · 17th August 2011, 16:41

Originally Posted by oldrider

Any political party or person that adheres to the current banking system is simply more of the same!

The world banking and monetary system is the common denominator that needs to change and be reformed!

until we're all asked, we won't know what other choices there are. I know of 1 "viable" alternative

**Vacquer0** · 17th August 2011, 16:46

**mashman** · 17th August 2011, 16:48

that should buy a pint of milk.

**blue rider** · 17th August 2011, 17:42

Originally Posted by mashman

that should buy a pint of milk.

interesting read actually http://www.usagold.com/germannightmare.html

**mashman** · 17th August 2011, 20:04

Originally Posted by blue rider

interesting read actually http://www.usagold.com/germannightmare.html

I don't think it matters which side wins. The money will always be there for the victor and the conquereds cost.

Did you ever see the series (the below isn't the series), The Ascent of Money? Very well put together. I didn't realise it was a book

**Indiana_Jones** · 17th August 2011, 20:16

-Indy

**jonbuoy** · 18th August 2011, 10:57

Originally Posted by mashman

until we're all asked, we won't know what other choices there are. I know of 1 "viable" alternative

A "money less" system?

**Spyke** · 18th August 2011, 15:36

Hey guys, since we can't do much for america, we could start with our country that is far away at the bottom of the world.

freedom of speech nz

lets make a website that all enrolled nzers can use to vote on political decisions big and small. a polling site with a difference in that basically all of nz could have their say on the matters that effect us!
login in with your electoral number and password to a protected site where you can have your say on time on each bill,law, everything that comes up in the running of nz?

a forum to raise ideas that can be heard by the people that count?
moderators to stop bad grammer lol.

i'm no website designer but i think this could change the way the world works, we the people of nz could have our say from the comfort of our key boards. now is the time of the key board warrior to stand up and be counted on!!!

I love NZ and don't want us to be run by the big companies but by all of us, lets make a change. Our generation needs all the more experienced to help, as you guys know the history behind all this and have had true protests and all the good living so we can learn a thing or two!

peace, may as well say legalise pot to take the bottom of the drug market out aswell

**lakedaemonian** · 18th August 2011, 20:38

Originally Posted by blue rider

A really good read is Paul Krugman, the man predicted the melt down in 2007 - 2008 , he actually got a Nobel Prize in Economics - go figure. (same on calculated risk, go to the Archives and find some posts of TANTA - she had the great gift of putting bank legalese in to english),

DID Krugman REALLY predict the meltdown?

The last time I checked he is firmly in the camp of "borrowing the US out of debt".

Krugman was issued a nobel prize....by the same crowd that gave President Obama a nobel prize for things he didn't do yet.

In my opinion, Krugman is part of the same special interest Republicrat machine that has corrupted the US political and economic machine.

I would strongly encourage you to read up on Eric Janszen, the founder of iTulip.com.

He has personally helped me shape my opinions and perceptions on economics/finance and helped my family largely avoid this mess.

And to the best of my knowledge, no one else even comes close to the consistent accuracy of his analysis.

No one knows who he is because he doesn't "talk the book" of mass financial media advertisers...so he doesn't make it on TV.

He is a wealthy guy who could just keep his mouth shut, but is disgusted by what he sees, and is trying to help others focus their own personal opinions and feelings.

Most people have SOME idea of what's wrong.....Eric Janszen has helped a bunch of people I know to bring it into proper focus and understand quite complex concepts and problems by breaking it into manageable pieces....I really rate the guy and his site....most of the content is free...a bit is behind a paywall.

**lakedaemonian** · 18th August 2011, 20:40

Originally Posted by Vacquer0

Awesome......on a trip through Africa a few years ago I picked up a couple trillion in Zimbabwean currency to keep and show my kids and use it to teach the value of real money.

Most of mine is prior to the trillion dollar note issue......I've got heaps of 50 and 100 billion notes though.

**lakedaemonian** · 18th August 2011, 20:54

Originally Posted by oldrider

Any political party or person that adheres to the current banking system is simply more of the same!

The world banking and monetary system is the common denominator that needs to change and be reformed!

It will happen....again....it's happened before....and we are in the process of it happening again.

When we read about it in history, we tend to think about things getting flipped like a light switch.....but it takes a while.

One thing that is just about guaranteed is that gold will play a role......why else would central banks still possess it?

It's also worth having a look at some of the things going on today, like:

Venezuela nationalizing it's gold mining industry.

Venezuela threatening to shift it's gold reserves held in New York, London, and Geneva to Brazil/China maybe.

All steps down the road to what comes next......whcih is probably gold spiking to some truly ridiculous level for a brief spasm sometime over the next 5-10 years...likely just after Joe Bloggs buys 1-2 ounces.

Either that or war.

The US is sitting on a multi-trillion dollar military capability that will surely slowly fade along with it's fading national wealth.....do the muppets in power just sit by and watch it rust...or do they leverage it?

Have a look at root causes of WWII.....in both Europe and Asia.

Economic depression and resource issues/embargo

We know Hitler and Tojo were a pair of dickheads......but what led to their rise to power?

The more things change the more they stay the same.

My guess some folks in power might try another war to force a reboot(or force quit for the Mac fans) in favor of the US.

"Reduce" China/India/Pakistan and run the planet for another generation or two.

Interesting times.......

**mashman** · 18th August 2011, 21:09

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

A "money less" system?

yes.............

**jonbuoy** · 18th August 2011, 21:51

Originally Posted by mashman

yes.............

Its a nice idea, problem is humans aren´t nice.

**mashman** · 18th August 2011, 22:25

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Its a nice idea, problem is humans aren´t nice.

I'm not expecting a magic bullet. But a cashless local economy? It'd all but ARSEFECK the "need" for crime... and its associated social fall out. I'd call that a start. Equal opportunity?

. I'm not expecting that the lazy will suddenly grow a conscience

, and that people won't kill themselves slowly with cigs, booze etc..., motorcycle collisions

, falling pianos... pah. I am under no illusion that life would just go on, and that world markets would probably shit their pants at the thought etc... We're all grown ups? and the bills would still be getting "paid"

What you gonna do with your time? become lazy? Would you consider working 5 hours a day for 5 days per week for your government, if in return they gave you financial and personal freedom. Same shit. Different day?

More time for motorcycle collisions

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