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[Pseudonym]

Sounds like you should move to Fiji, I think you'd make friends with their leader pretty well...

No, the laws involving moving large amounts of ordnance across international waters have been stepped up over the past few years.
Hardly enough profit in it to make it worthwhile anymore.

As a rule, I don’t make friends very well…
Something about me finding humour in others suffering.
I’m also an anti-social vicious cynic, and that won’t help ether…
Should have joined the IRD but I do have some self worth.

But the Fiji analogy is a good one, it proves that the only thing we lean from history is how to repeat it.

[huff3r]

No, the laws involving moving large amounts of ordnance across international waters have been stepped up over the past few years.
Hardly enough profit in it to make it worthwhile anymore.

As a rule, I don’t make friends very well…
Something about me finding humour in others suffering.
I’m also an anti-social vicious cynic, and that won’t help ether…
Should have joined the IRD but I do have some self worth.

But the Fiji analogy is a good one, it proves that the only thing we lean from history is how to repeat it.

Truth be told I wasn't trying to give ya advice, I was just trying to get rid of ya

[swbarnett]

Well, in my experience worrying about all of this shit doesn't tend to change the outcome. Look at the yanks and the whole 'homeland security' law. In fact, a good example would be the child smacking law here. A non-binding referendum saw 70-odd % of people vote against it, but it didn't change shit. They'll pass whatever laws they want... and until riots and a significant social uprising actually happens, all talk about 'losing our rights' won't change a thing.

No, the talk and worry of a small miority won't change a thing. However, if enough people worry about it, just maybe it will reach critical mass and turn into a major political (or militant) force. We might even get back what we've lost if we're really lucky.

The trouble that we have in the western world is that we're too comfortable. We're all sitting around thinking "this isn't right" and then refuse to do anything about it because "I might lose my comfortable life". Our Governments understand this all too well and are smart about only whittling away at our freedom, never chopping off a big enough a chunk in one go to get people really angry. We all sit back and think "well that's not really that bad" but when we finally realist that we have absolutely no freedom left we'll recognise that a lot of "not so bad" changes soon add up.

[Pseudonym]

Truth be told I wasn't trying to give ya advice, I was just trying to get rid of ya

To Fiji?
That’s just mean…

[BoristheBiter]

No, the talk and worry of a small miority won't change a thing. However, if enough people worry about it, just maybe it will reach critical mass and turn into a major political (or militant) force. We might even get back what we've lost if we're really lucky.

The trouble that we have in the western world is that we're too comfortable. We're all sitting around thinking "this isn't right" and then refuse to do anything about it because "I might lose my comfortable life". Our Governments understand this all too well and are smart about only whittling away at our freedom, never chopping off a big enough a chunk in one go to get people really angry. We all sit back and think "well that's not really that bad" but when we finally realist that we have absolutely no freedom left we'll recognise that a lot of "not so bad" changes soon add up.

So what freedom have you lost?

[huff3r]

So what freedom have you lost?

The freedom to be a paranoid psycho? Nope he's still doing that pretty well...

Perhaps hes angry cos he'd rather live in a totally lawless society where one can stab someone with no consequences?

[Pseudonym]

So what freedom have you lost?

An interesting question…

With the intellectual property law now in effect your ISP can, and must, monitor what your activity is on the internet and if there is a suspected breach in the law send you a warning and then cut your service off if you persist.
So the government has insisted that a private company must watch you on the off chance that you may do something that would upset another private company.
We’re not talking about downloading “How to IED your local school” as that has no owner and therefore no one will be hurt.
But if you download a song, or even just watch a YouTube clip with an unlicensed music clip you can be warned.

Or where you after something bigger, as you don’t go on the internet and download anything?

How about how we can not defend ourselves from attack in our own homes?
Shouldn’t that be a right?
Or if we all sign a referendum or petition it gets ignored?
Don’t we have the right to be heard?

Sorry am I mixing rights with freedoms?
Silly me…

[bogan]

With the intellectual property law now in effect your ISP can, and must, monitor what your activity is on the internet and if there is a suspected breach in the law send you a warning and then cut your service off if you persist.

Not even close, the ISP is required to take an accusation issued by a private company (representing the rights holder) as the truth. I believe the company even pays the ISP. Nobody is required to monitor your activity on the internet, in fact I think that is still illegal. It's kind of like the difference between having each vehicle GPS tracked, and speed traps set up, easy to get away with if you know where the speed traps are

[swbarnett]

So what freedom have you lost?

The freedom to do whatever I damn well please as long as it does not directly harm anyone else.

The freedom to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

The freedom to go about MY business without being constantly monitored.

Admittedly we still have it pretty good in NZ. It's more about a prediction of where this is headed. If we don't stop it soon it will be too late.

[Pseudonym]

Not even close, the ISP is required to take an accusation issued by a private company (representing the rights holder) as the truth. I believe the company even pays the ISP. Nobody is required to monitor your activity on the internet, in fact I think that is still illegal. It's kind of like the difference between having each vehicle GPS tracked, and speed traps set up, easy to get away with if you know where the speed traps are

I have been misinformed…
That’s a relief, I thought a private company suddenly had the right to watch what you where doing just because…
Oh wait…

So it’s Okay for a “concerned party” to track your activity under suspicion that you may have infringed on one of their licences and then have your ISP mail you out a warning…
We must be being watched by someone or how will they know?
Or do they have a call home bug planted in all digital media?

[Zedder]

The freedom to do whatever I damn well please as long as it does not directly harm anyone else.

The freedom to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

The freedom to go about MY business without being constantly monitored.

Admittedly we still have it pretty good in NZ. It's more about a prediction of where this is headed. If we don't stop it soon it will be too late.

We're way behind some countries but my philosophy is: If you're doing nothing wrong then don't worry about being monitored.

[BoristheBiter]

An interesting question…

With the intellectual property law now in effect your ISP can, and must, monitor what your activity is on the internet and if there is a suspected breach in the law send you a warning and then cut your service off if you persist.
So the government has insisted that a private company must watch you on the off chance that you may do something that would upset another private company.
We’re not talking about downloading “How to IED your local school” as that has no owner and therefore no one will be hurt.
But if you download a song, or even just watch a YouTube clip with an unlicensed music clip you can be warned.

Or where you after something bigger, as you don’t go on the internet and download anything?

How about how we can not defend ourselves from attack in our own homes?
Shouldn’t that be a right?
Or if we all sign a referendum or petition it gets ignored?
Don’t we have the right to be heard?

Sorry am I mixing rights with freedoms?
Silly me…

Bogan has already answered your ISP debate so i won't repeat that.

All those others you still have the freedom (or right) to do and that has not changed so you have no argument there please try again.

The freedom to do whatever I damn well please as long as it does not directly harm anyone else.

You can

The freedom to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

You are

The freedom to go about MY business without being constantly monitored.

Then give up all access to the world as you are monitored in everything you do, even on this forum

Admittedly we still have it pretty good in NZ. It's more about a prediction of where this is headed. If we don't stop it soon it will be too late.

you both are still to prove we have lost any freedom.
I can still do the things i did back when i was growing up, in fact some people have more freedom today than they did back then.

[Scuba_Steve]

We're way behind some countries but my philosophy is: If you're doing nothing wrong then don't worry about being monitored.

Ignorance is bliss right???

All those others you still have the freedom (or right) to do and that has not changed so you have no argument there please try again.
you both are still to prove we have lost any freedom.
I can still do the things i did back when i was growing up, in fact some people have more freedom today than they did back then.

When you stop living in your head & join us in either New Zealand or Auckland you'll see he is right

[Zedder]

Ignorance is bliss right???



When you stop living in your head & join us in either New Zealand or Auckland you'll see he is right

It's not ignorance SS, it's just that I've got better things to do with my life than worrying too much about the fact that I'm being monitored. Having said that, I have the ability to monitor the people who do the monitoring as well, it's called voting. Get it? You're always a bit too negative, so lighten up and live a bit.

[BoristheBiter]

Ignorance is bliss right???



When you stop living in your head & join us in either New Zealand or Auckland you'll see he is right

Again i will ask you the same question, what freedom have you lost?
And i am not talking grades of tinfoil.