ANPR vans

[Zedder]

Only until something you like doing gets made illegal.

I don't think there's much chance of the things I like doing becoming illegal.

[Zedder]

So extreme complete freedom would be a kind of anarchy eh?

Extremely completely freedomly correct.

[avgas]

Theirs one freedom that we've lost right there. How dare they make us wear aluminum. It's known to increase the likelihood of Alzheimer's - maybe that's the plan - it we can't remember we don't know what we've lost.

Apparently when I was younger I was adamant I wasn't to wear pants.
I wish I had that freedom back.

[BoristheBiter]

Apparently when I was younger I was adamant I wasn't to wear pants.
I wish I had that freedom back.

I'm glad you don't.

[swbarnett]

Have already been through this.

Since when does that have anything to do with freedom?

It has everything to do with legal freedom. If I do 150kph on a wide road under perfect weather with no side streets or driveways I'm not hurting anybody but under current law I don't have this freedom. Otherwise known as a victimless crime.

[swbarnett]

So you're saying it's OK to do as you want - UP to the point of hurting somebody.

So a drink-driver should be allowed to drink and drive as long as they aren't actually huring soembody??

Yes and no. If they don't actually hit anybody it could be argued "where's the harm?". On the flip side the risk is much greater. The problem is who you trust to assess the increased risk.

[Zedder]

It has everything to do with legal freedom. If I do 150kph on a wide road under perfect weather with no side streets or driveways I'm not hurting anybody but under current law I don't have this freedom. Otherwise known as a victimless crime.

What it is also known as is potential for a crash due to a number of factors you haven't mentioned and resulting in death or injury with all the downstream costs associated with it.

[BoristheBiter]

It has everything to do with legal freedom. If I do 150kph on a wide road under perfect weather with no side streets or driveways I'm not hurting anybody but under current law I don't have this freedom. Otherwise known as a victimless crime.

I bet that cop thought that when he did a u-turn.

[BoristheBiter]

Yes and no. If they don't actually hit anybody it could be argued "where's the harm?". On the flip side the risk is much greater. The problem is who you trust to assess the increased risk.

Well defiantly not the drunk driver.

[Scuba_Steve]

I don't think there's much chance of the things I like doing becoming illegal.

obviously not a fagger, their working on making that illegal. Can't be into dirt biking that's already illegal. Hope you don't like racist jokes, they want to make that illegal. Guns, those laws are only ever going to get tighter.

[swbarnett]

Man I'm so pissed they shut down those opium dens...

You make a good point. Who was being hurt by the private use of opium?

[swbarnett]

I don't think there's much chance of the things I like doing becoming illegal.

To take it to the extreme - do you like riding your bike? There are people that would make this illegal if we let them.

[Zedder]

To take it to the extreme - do you like riding your bike? There are people that would make this illegal if we let them.

Yes, you are taking it to the extreme.

[swbarnett]

I bet that cop thought that when he did a u-turn.

So, was it the cop doing a U-turn 120m from the brow of a hill or the bike coming over said hill at 150kph that actually cost the rider their life? Either way the responsibility for one's own safety lies with onself alone.

[Zedder]

So, was it the cop doing a U-turn 120m from the brow of a hill or the bike coming over said hill at 150kph that actually cost the rider their life? Either way the responsibility for one's own safety lies with onself alone.

Don't you think it was a combination of things?

Sure, responsibility (a very important word that responsibility) does lie with oneself and because I don't want to die or be maimed and occupy emergencies services unnessessaryily due to my lack of foresight, factoring of possible things that can go wrong and excessive speed, I am lawful and careful.