ANPR vans

[_Shrek_]

but freedoms that are gone all the same, troll troll troll ya boat

Pass the Vodka comrade.

[Kickaha]

Can't be into dirt biking that's already illegal.

Really? must be a whole set of different laws up your way because I've got plenty of places I can do some dirt biking quite legally

actually BB in the 70's & 80's we use to ride our bikes on the beachs on both Islands, even when there were people about (young & old) & thats some thing that has gone by the way side & it wasn't illegal, (normal road rules applyed) but the pc brigade & soft cocks that we have in power now just keep tightening the rope on us a little bit more each year

Most likely that is due to ever increasing numbers of people riding them like fuckwits

[Gearup]

but freedoms that are gone all the same, troll troll troll ya boat

I know, I like a good smack-the-kids-shoot-the-wife session as much as the next guy.

[BoristheBiter]

actually BB in the 70's & 80's we use to ride our bikes on the beachs on both Islands, even when there were people about (young & old) & thats some thing that has gone by the way side & it wasn't illegal, (normal road rules applyed) but the pc brigade & soft cocks that we have in power now just keep tightening the rope on us a little bit more each year

Yep and you still can now and road rules still apply, so does courtesy, good manners and respect for others. Now those are some things that we have lost.

I totally agree we have had too long with the pc nanny state bullshit but that was what you get from 9 years of Helen.

[Scuba_Steve]

Really? must be a whole set of different laws up your way because I've got plenty of places I can do some dirt biking quite legally

You can???
Road - Any land the public can access whether of right or not
Land - the earth, everything above, everything below
Motor-vehicles on road - must be registered & WOF'd and of roadworthy standard

So a dirt-bike is a motor-vehicle is it not??? A dedicated dirt bike cannot be reg/WOF'd & of "roadworthy" standard, under NZ's lose law everything is a road.

So how is it you can find places to legally ride your bike??? do you just leave the country every-time you want to ride???

[Kickaha]

You can???
Road - Any land the public can access whether of right or not
Land - the earth, everything above, everything below
Motor-vehicles on road - must be registered & WOF'd and of roadworthy standard

You didn't mention that in the post I quoted, you just said dirtbiking is illegal when quite clearly it isn't

It is illegal in certain areas might have been accurate

So how is it you can find places to legally ride your bike??? do you just leave the country every-time you want to ride???

Organised trail rides and public recreation areas seem to work fairly well down here as far as I know they're quite legal

[Scuba_Steve]

You didn't mention that in the post I quoted, you just said dirtbiking is illegal when quite clearly it isn't

It is illegal in certain areas might have been accurate

Organised trail rides and public recreation areas seem to work fairly well down here as far as I know they're quite legal

Not under NZ's lose law, it's just being ignored for now like the beach was for so many years. Anytime they want to enforce it...

[jazfender]

What liberty restriction? There is now a way of instantaneously checking a number plate and because of that hand out a ticket for it. Nothing has changed you just are more likely to get a ticket quicker if you drive without a wof or reg or be stopped if you are driving a stolen car.

You seriously can't see past the end of today, can you?

Today monitoring, tomorrow liberty restriction. I don't know enough about these fucking vans to tell whether they're good or bad yet and I suspect neither do you. That in itself is enough to prompt some serious questions as they're out on the road already and I don't remember any public consultation or discussion about them.

If you can't figure out what i was meaning in a reply to SS then i won't bother trying to explain as it evidently went over your head.

I did figure it out which is why I called you on it. It's a strawman fallacy, misrepresenting the argument and you fucking know it.

Nobody is saying that they want paedophiles to be able to go and fuck little kids and you are trying to use that to paint SS in a negative light - not only does that signal you're all shit, but it also suggests you are missing the point of liberty.

Complete freedom isn't available in society because there's too many people who would take their interpretation of freedom/rights to the extreme.

I accept that absolute freedom isn't available at this point but the current trend is tipping the balance towards safety over freedom.

Do these vans increase safety? Are regos are safety thing?

[scumdog]

So how is it you can find places to legally ride your bike??? do you just leave the country every-time you want to ride???

Wow, the Lake to Coast organisers are gonna shit themselves when they find they've organised that ride for dirt bikes to ride on a ROAD!

[BoristheBiter]

You seriously can't see past the end of today, can you?

Today monitoring, tomorrow liberty restriction. I don't know enough about these fucking vans to tell whether they're good or bad yet and I suspect neither do you. That in itself is enough to prompt some serious questions as they're out on the road already and I don't remember any public consultation or discussion about them


I did figure it out which is why I called you on it. It's a strawman fallacy, misrepresenting the argument and you fucking know it.

Nobody is saying that they want paedophiles to be able to go and fuck little kids and you are trying to use that to paint SS in a negative light - not only does that signal you're all shit, but it also suggests you are missing the point of liberty.



I accept that absolute freedom isn't available at this point but the current trend is tipping the balance towards safety over freedom.

Do these vans increase safety? Are regos are safety thing?

Wow bad day?
Do you use a bank card, whether that be credit or debit?

And try to keep the childish name calling to a minium.

[skinman]

A condition of living in a society (any society) is the sacrifice of some personal freedoms for the greater good. Unfortunately the basic condition, which is to respect other members of your society, is being lost and replaced with rules about everything. There is too great a percentage of people who seem to believe that they dont have to contribute anything and that they are somehow owed a living. In fact an increasingly large portion go even further and actively prey on & deceive the society in which they live.
This problem is not confined to NZ but seems to infect most western societies.
Common sense is the cure but how to get the masses to apply it?
The loss of driving freedoms is a side effect of the reliance on legislation to fix an attitude problem.
On the new camera thing I have to say I am on the cops side, and no, I am no angel on the road either, but I do always make sure my vehicle is legal.
big spiel over

[huff3r]

Apparently they are busy building the deathstar too, so if you protest for freedom they will just blow up your entire planet!

[Scuba_Steve]

Apparently they are busy building the deathstar too, so if you protest for freedom they will just blow up your entire planet!

ahh, I hear a well placed shot down the exhaust vent takes care of them.

[Zamiam]

Attack of the Shreks!!!

The anti-smacking law has a large discretionary aspect to it. The guns with the wives/husbands scenario is an added threat that would be a worry to all concerned and I'd say the cops are erring on the side of caution quite a bit.

Pass the Vodka comrade.

FFS - the only thing worse than them taking away our freedoms (and it wasn't illegal to ride a bike on the beach until the powers that be deemed a beach is a public road) is to allow them discretion. It is either illegal or it's not.

[jazfender]

Wow bad day?
Do you use a bank card, whether that be credit or debit?

Terrible day.

Yeah, I use credit and debit - so what?