Motorcycle licensing changes announced

[Bounce001]

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-sto...ges-announced/

Didn't think it was too bad. Like the getting rid of the 70km/h speed limit and addressing the state of the roads. Will wait and see what the hidden things are!

[Bald Eagle]

The usual emotive use of dodgy stats to put a negative spin on motorcycles as second class road users
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"Motorcyclists are 20 times more at risk of being involved in a fatal or serious injury crash than car drivers per kilometre driven. With more new motorcyclists every day, these steps are vital to keep riders safe on the road."
Since declining in the late 1990s, motorcycle-related deaths have increased by around 80 percent since 2003. This has coincided with a 68 percent increase in the number of motorcycles in New Zealand."

[Bounce001]

And what about scooters

"A proposal to introduce a moped-specific licence has not been progressed as part of this Rule.

"Moped licences would require major change and they don't yet appear to offer the significant safety benefits of these other proposals. This measure will be delayed so that the NZ Transport Agency can prioritise the other actions in this package," says Mr Joyce."

Or is that just in the too hard basket. They probably can't split the stats cos their all under motorcycles.

[oneofsix]

why is it taking them so long to get rid of the stupid 70k restriction?! this should have been gone 6 months ago.

[bogan]

I think good changes, seems like the main parts will be removal of 70kmhr, and swap to power/weight restrictions. They have even been a bit clearer on the stats! (still using the most unfavourable ones they can find though )

"Moped licences would require major change and they don't yet appear to offer the significant safety benefits of these other proposals. This measure will be delayed so that the NZ Transport Agency can prioritise the other actions in this package," says Mr Joyce.

That bit I don't agree with, scoots have the second highest accident rate per cc range (after 51-250cc), and they only need a car license.

[bogan]

And what about scooters

"A proposal to introduce a moped-specific licence has not been progressed as part of this Rule.

"Moped licences would require major change and they don't yet appear to offer the significant safety benefits of these other proposals. This measure will be delayed so that the NZ Transport Agency can prioritise the other actions in this package," says Mr Joyce."

Or is that just in the too hard basket. They probably can't split the stats cos their all under motorcycles.

The do separate them injuries by cc, though I have been unable to figure out where they obtain the km part, that might not have been recorded separately for different cc groups.

[Scuba_Steve]

good start but I see restricted has just become even more redundant than before. Still reckon 2yrs learners straight to full, restricted offers nothing.
By the looks they're still fucking up mopeds, they appear still to require absolutely no 2-wheeled knowledge or skill but of-course will still count against motorbikes in the stats.

[oneofsix]

That bit I don't agree with, scoots have the second highest accident rate per cc range (after 51-250cc), and they only need a car license.

I also could not understand that statement. What is so hard? Or is the real question 'who are they going to piss off'? and I don't think its your scoot riding uni student they are worried about.

[Scuba_Steve]

Actually thinking about it, the mopeds they probably don't want to change because they are keeping the "motorcycle" accidents high to suit their propaganda/agenda which really brings the question what is their agenda??? Extort more money or remove bikes from the road???

[Bald Eagle]

Extort more money or remove bikes from the road???

Both , more money while they remove them from the road over time. Win/win - get paid to get rid.

[ducatilover]

Has anyone else noticed the claimed "20 times more likely blah blah" is always changing? I've read 16x, 19x and God knows what else

This could be used by MAGNZ or whomever couldn't it? If there are going to be big claims like that made, a bit of consistency would go a long way.

[oneofsix]

Has anyone else noticed the claimed "20 times more likely blah blah" is always changing? I've read 16x, 19x and God knows what else

This could be used by MAGNZ or whomever couldn't it? If there are going to be big claims like that made, a bit of consistency would go a long way.

heard a British cop quote of 36 times more likely to die on TV last week and the old saying was where Britain goes NZ is sure to follow. (does that remind anyone else of a nursery rhyme involving sheep)

[nzspokes]

There goes the resale value of your 250....

[bogan]

Has anyone else noticed the claimed "20 times more likely blah blah" is always changing? I've read 16x, 19x and God knows what else

This could be used by MAGNZ or whomever couldn't it? If there are going to be big claims like that made, a bit of consistency would go a long way.

They're from different years and different reports, i think 09 was 16x, and 10 was 18x, and a release from Prick Smith misquoted it as 20x. The figures per registered bike are still around 3.5x, but nobody's agenda gets filled using those

[Bald Eagle]

They're from different years and different reports, i think 09 was 16x, and 10 was 18x, and a release from Prick Smith misquoted it as 20x. The figures per registered bike are still around 3.5x, but nobody's agenda gets filled using those

They all fail to mention that with the large increase of number of motorbikes, and the fact that the accident rate per 1000 bikes has significantly declined.