Benefits

[mashman]

But you don't mind, and I do. Money isn't everything, remember?

touche ... Money isn't everything to me, my Wife however and kids for that matter ... meh

[frogfeaturesFZR]

I work to pay the bills only.
You think the day after I win Lotto I'm going back to work,,no wonder you Winz fucks achieve nothing.

So I try to change things, hopefully I help someone everyday, you on the other hand are a sad excuse of a human. I will however piss on you should I see you on fire somewhere. I hope if you have kids they turn out to be a better human than their father.

[insane1]

is it suprising that most of the lazy cunts on benifits are either maori,coconuts or such like ,and have got themselves into a rut, and dont really give a fuck about getting out of said rut ,solution put the effort in or get nothing in return.

[Smifffy]

touche ... Money isn't everything to me, my Wife however and kids for that matter ... meh

Yep, and money certainly isn't everything to them down the road, and their kids, cos they can always get more out of my salary.

Easy come, easy go, where as the rest of us have to do 12 hour days and nights just to keep afloat.

[mashman]

Yep, and money certainly isn't everything to them down the road, and their kids, cos they can always get more out of my salary.

Easy come, easy go, where as the rest of us have to do 12 hour days and nights just to keep afloat.

heh, not without the govts blessing.

I believe we have exercised our choices, stop whining. I'd love a do-over

[scumdog]

is it suprising that most of the lazy cunts on benifits are either maori,coconuts or such like ,and have got themselves into a rut, and dont really give a fuck about getting out of said rut ,solution put the effort in or get nothing in return.

Fighting a shark for a fish for dinner vs the benefit?

No brainer eh!

[racefactory]

I work to pay the bills only.
You think the day after I win Lotto I'm going back to work,,no wonder you Winz fucks achieve nothing.

Very true. Whoever works otherwise in my books has either been institutionalized in their own slavery or has a piss poor imagination.

[Smifffy]

I think I could really enjoy my job if I didn't have to rely on it for a living.

Very true. Whoever works otherwise in my books has either been institutionalized in their own slavery or has a piss poor imagination.

[BoristheBiter]

I think I could really enjoy my job if I didn't have to rely on it for a living.

Depends on the job

[flyingcrocodile46]

Depends on the job

The job that suits is a matter of choice and for some there are none that will ever suit.

The only thing you have to work with to achieve happiness in life, is to change your attitude. It is the one sure fire answer that fits all and is easier and cheaper than a drive through cheeseburger. But it seldom occurs to us to look at ourselves as the problem that needs to be fixed, so we are seldom happy with what we have.

[avgas]

I work at Work and Income, the point I try to make to the people I see is that work itself is a form of therapy, a cheaper type of counseling really. Sounds mad I know, but it's true.

It could be a case of Schadenfreude.

[avgas]

Interesting. The unemployment benefit for a male over 25 years is currently $201.00. Assuming you are talking 10 - 12 years ago the dole has not exactly kept pace with inflation.
In other words you didn't need to go on a benefit because you had an inheritence and you were able to borrow money. You had also earned enough money to be able to save, and I commend you for your financial self discipline - a quality that is all too rare today.
You made a choice, and it was a choice that was based on you having goals, a cash asset and the ability to earn $8,000 pa while you were studying. What would you have done if you didn't have that cash asset, the ability to study and the means to earn $8k pa? There are many people who lack your resources, most significantly your self discipline and ability to set goals. Now another question: where did you get that from? Did you learn that from your family, friends or a mentor? Did you do something that taught you that, like a stretch in the armed services? Where would you be if you didn't have that advantage?
Times are hard(ish). They have been harder, and will be harder in the future, but there aren't a lot of jobs, especially for unskilled people. Do they benefit society? No, they don't - at least not when they are stuck on a benefit, but if they were able to use their time productively - whether in work or as a volunteer, then they would benefit society, and benefit themselves.
I'm not sure the debate is about beneficiaries asking for more. I more think it's about the failure of the current system, and believe me, some of them know all about living it hard. A very, very small number don't, but they are the minority.

Will bullet point it cos the little man woke us up early. And I need nap.

I lived on or under $150/week hence the 8K figure. And while the winz payment is $200 after tax my $150 was before. To get simple pleasure things I had to work cash.

I did need the benefit. The $9,000 sitting a term deposit determined I could not as I had over $2,500 in assets. Most beneficiaries get away with this by not having savings and putting it into a car. See the key to actually maintaining a benefit lifestyle is that you maintain you have no assets and so long as IRD can't see it your scott-free. I could not get student allowance (even a trimmed down version) due to my father earning over $40K (at the time....was a few years ago). The only way around that was to divorce my parents. Winz at the time did not understand the fact that I had not lived at home for 3 years.

Mentorship is a problem. I was fortunate enough to not have money growing up so I am probably considered self-taught. However then if I were to revert back to a previous stance and perhaps add to it.
"Cancel all benefits, when someone comes to complain give them a mentor+food vouchers+housing."
Who know could save us some money and improve NZ........its better that sitting on our hands and doing nothing except paying them.

If they were truly living it hard, why have they not changed their lives? Is it right that we keep making them live on tiny amounts of money doing nothing or should we perhaps pay them a bit more to do a 40 hour week.
Contrary to popular belief there is plenty of work out there, its just not in job form. Perhaps we should cancel the benefit and pay it all to creating jobs out of all this work that is not being done????

[puddytat]

The only thing you have to work with to achieve happiness in life, is to change your attitude..

As someone said to me the other day...."The best way to predict your future, is to create it"

[rachprice]

You know you can get a benefit for being >28 weeks pregnant? Not pregnant AND afflicted with some other medical disease or complication but for just being pregnant

Now I understand some women HAVE to give up work early but pregnancy is not an illness! I have seen women really take this for granted!

[frogfeaturesFZR]

You can get sickness benefit at age 18 for being over 27 weeks pregnant, however
You can be on a sickness benefit- hardship if you're 16 and over 27 weeks.
It then becomes EMA, and at 18, DPB.
Some look on it as a career choice.
My personal opinion is if you're on DPB, sole parent, and have further kids while
You are 'single' you get no further payments for the extra kids. I'll qualify that by saying if the child's the result of rape, then obviously you should get the extra payments.

We can theorize until we're dead, but until attitudes change - the cycle will repeat
Itself.