Ride the loop for MSAC as part of our first major project

[avgas]

You guys ask for too much. First you don't want them to get paid. Then when they get paid you expect them to actually finish what they started.
We are just lowly NZ motorcyclist. We can't expect such amazing things from a paid council. Its much better to just keep paying them and stay quiet. So as to not get in trouble.
Who knows they might ask for more money if we complain too much.

[StoneY]

Well I was not happy at the 6 days notice situation but I had no say in that. Now I have no say in any of it.

Got meself sacked for daring to post to you lot on Kiwibiker.

What a crime.
Good work could be done by this council....much in fact.
I wish them luck.... but the moment I get told Hi-Viz will become a major expenditure of my levy money I will raise pure hell over it.

The right to choose, and freedom to wear your own version of appropriate gear (I go atgatt myself but each to own)

I no longer represent BRONZ, or am a member of the MSAC... it's good to be able to say what the fuck i want for the first time in a long time

[caseye]

Sad to hear that mate.
I really am.
Welcome back to the land of the mere mortal.

[2 wheel madness]

Hmmm.... nice provocative poster

What's bad about the Coromandel Loop? Nothing, it's my home turf and it's bloody great. What's bad about some of the riders who go on the Loop? A lack of skills in reading conditions and riding appropriately, that's why bikes get binned and the blame gets laid on the road.

um... what he said

there are plenty of roads around that are pretty unforgiving in many various ways, i think there is much worse around than the coromandel loop, take a look at some of the roads around northland, awesome fun but got to keep your mind on the job

[riffer]

Its much better to just keep paying them and stay quiet. So as to not get in trouble.
Who knows they might ask for more money if we complain too much.

Ah, yeah, well, there's a problem with this too. Y'see us intransigent lot aren't paying enough registrations. Leading to a drop in expected revenue not only for ACC but also the MSAC.

So it looks like all they'll be able to afford this year is tea and bikkies for the councillors (and their salaries too). Certainly can't afford public communications.

But y'all keep safe out there. Especially those of you on those dangerous 600cc+ bikes eh?

[Bassmatt]

Fuck! Cnuts!!

[avgas]

Hmmmmm with Stoney out. Perhaps now is a good time to kick up a shit fight.
I am thinking about making McSAC public knowledge over the weekend.

Need to have a think about planning this a bit more tactically. While it would be easy to throw punches at all of Gareth's endeavors - its not very smart.

While Riffer is right, none of us are paying rego - so McSAC have limited income. I want that income to cost them personally.
i.e. "make damn sure you never work in this town again".

If anyone else is interested, or thinking along the same lines.....start a thread and let me know. I am not a group hug kinda guy....but would be good to consolidate information, create new arguments etc.

[Smifffy]

Gareth Morgan has a book and a tax reform package to promote.

I actually hit up their website the other day to see if there was anything i'd missed.

Nope.

Give em time eh?

Lying, cheating, thieving, lazy bastards!

[blackdog]

Gareth Morgan has a book and a tax reform package to promote.

Don't forget about a football team.

[StoneY]

Hmmmmm with Stoney out. Perhaps now is a good time to kick up a shit fight.
I am thinking about making McSAC public knowledge over the weekend.

Dude...it already is with a big blingybullshit corprorate website for you to talk to them on (good luck with that)

Need to have a think about planning this a bit more tactically. While it would be easy to throw punches at all of Gareth's endeavors - its not very smart.

No not smart at all as his own business is nothing to do with MSAC... my removal was for posting on this website...funny thing is, 3 of the dates quoted to the minister as my breaching the 'comms plan' were posts in THIS thread, on they ASKED me to place on here to get you all to one of their events!

While Riffer is right, none of us are paying rego - so McSAC have limited income. I want that income to cost them personally.
i.e. "make damn sure you never work in this town again".

If anyone else is interested, or thinking along the same lines.....start a thread and let me know. I am not a group hug kinda guy....but would be good to consolidate information, create new arguments etc.

I personally think if every rider in NZ simply refused to register their bikes then rode in groups too large for the cops to pull over the individuals for the fine, we would see some action all right

I always stated I was dead set against the levy increase BUT I supported the 30$ per bike for us bikers to spend on our own safety projects.

The best shit I saw go through the inboxes was the road engineering improvements in Vic... the rest was sheer noise and wanking on about hi viz and rider behaviour...

Even when faced with SOLID proof the numbers from NZTA nad ACC are wrong, shown examples of 250cc bikes entered as 2500cc's (in a sample of 50 that's a HUGE hit) they still sit too scared to upset the minister and make this pathetically greedy government see the truth.

Biggest problem is it's being treated as a business by a businessman.
Sliced into area's of individual responsibilities and god help anyone who's opinion differs from the attitudes of the curmudgeon in charge.
Still reckon I was only ever allowed on it because they thought having the BIKOI organiser involved would give it real street cred.....

Credibility = 0 now as far as I am concerned.

YOU guys are this councils stakeholders.... YOU guys are the ones who can protest the direction its moving in.
If I did it would sound like sour grapes now...so go for it AVGAS take a shot at them but your gonna need at least twice the numbers the BIKOI had to make them listen mate

[Bald Eagle]

twice the numbers the BIKOI had to make them listen mate

BIKOI II has a nice ring to it - bags not

[sinfull]

but your gonna need at least twice the numbers the BIKOI had to make them listen mate

Or ride to where we were suppose to dude and not roll over at the last minute !

[avgas]

Gareth Morgan has a book and a tax reform package to promote.

Don't forget about a football team.

Lot to lose then.

Good.

What about the others?

[avgas]

Dude...it already is with a big blingybullshit corprorate website for you to talk to them on (good luck with that)

I don't intend to feed them information. Only the public.

Biggest problem is it's being treated as a business by a businessman.
Sliced into area's of individual responsibilities and god help anyone who's opinion differs from the attitudes of the curmudgeon in charge.

Actually that is fantastic! and what I was hoping for. Makes my job easier. Its easy to attack a business, but difficult to hurt an association (trust me I have tried to highlight Greenpeace/Sally's corruption.......but I know better now).
Even better the fact it has governance issues.
Keep it coming.

[StoneY]

Even better the fact it has governance issues.
Keep it coming.

Hang on...I never said there is governance issue's, I said I did not like the direction....

. Big difference there, and mate they obviously didn't like me either....

I am over it.