Ducati making progress?

[Metastable]

Even after that back peddling - it's not quite fair to say Rossi developed the Hondas and the Yamaha, as a guy called Jeremy Burgess had a bit to do with that.

Neither have got even close this year with the Ducati - to everyone's surprise and disappointment - including mine.

Well that's because Stoner handed over a Lemon. just kidding

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...ent/15484.html

Burgess and Rossi get on very well, but if you don't have the correct input from the rider, there is only so much Burgess could have done. Rossi is pretty methodical about his approach. He goes after fixing the big things first and then works on the little ones. My guess is that the Ducati was sooo OFF, that he doesn't even have a clue where to begin.

Melandri, Hayden, Sete.... those guys aren't chumps and none of them could ride the Ducati unless it was raining. Ducati has a huge problem, that Casey was masking. Hayden even said... I don't know what they are paying Casey, but it isn't enough.

[denill]

Well that's because Stoner handed over a Lemon. just kidding

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...ent/15484.html

Burgess and Rossi get on very well, but if you don't have the correct input from the rider, there is only so much Burgess could have done. Rossi is pretty methodical about his approach. He goes after fixing the big things first and then works on the little ones. My guess is that the Ducati was sooo OFF, that he doesn't even have a clue where to begin.

Melandri, Hayden, Sete.... those guys aren't chumps and none of them could ride the Ducati unless it was raining. Ducati has a huge problem, that Casey was masking. Hayden even said... I don't know what they are paying Casey, but it isn't enough.

Yeah, I'm with ya on most of what you say there - except you seem to imply that todays Ducati is Stoner's fault.

Whereas I reckon he just rode what they gave him.

The development of a bike is surely the engineers and test riders area of responsibility. Whereas, the rider provides setup feedback of their result.

[trev]

It amuses me when people say they 'hate' a particular rider. We watch them as "riders" not popularity contestants. Personally, for all MotoGp riders, I am just awestruck at their level of riding skills. I would be grateful to possess even 1/10th of their talent.

[Metastable]

Denill -> I have no idea if it was Stoner's fault or not as to what happened to the Ducati. Maybe they didn't listen to him or maybe he developed the bike to best match his aggressive riding style.

BTW - I don't hate Pedro, I just don't want to see him win. I figure the kid is OK, but his mentor Puig .... the dude has said some blatantly stupid things and unfortunately Danny gets caught up in it. Danny not shaking Simo's hand as an apology or Danny initially blaming Hayden when Hayden was taken out in Portugal the year he won the Championship.... also don't help my views of the guy.... but he's OK and can ride like hell.

[Mental Trousers]

Stoner never got the changes he wanted until the end of each season. Because he could win on it as it was there was no chance that Ducati would spend the money required to roll out the changes he wanted during the season. Not being Italian didn't help in the slightest.

[tigertim20]

It amuses me when people say they 'hate' a particular rider. We watch them as "riders" not popularity contestants. Personally, for all MotoGp riders, I am just awestruck at their level of riding skills. I would be grateful to possess even 1/10th of their talent.

everyone has their favourites.
there are ones I dislike and dont want to see them win.
there are ones I like and wish the best. Theyre all worlds ahead of me in talent and ability, but I still dislike some of them, but thats half the point, it would be boring watching it if you didnt have a favourite to cheer on

[Crasherfromwayback]

a nice pic for the haters...which of course, they'll hate. I think it's really pretty.

[Mental Trousers]

a nice pic for the haters...which of course, they'll hate. I think it's really pretty.

Pretty?? What are you, a poof??

That'd make a good poster though.

[Shaun]

a nice pic for the haters...which of course, they'll hate. I think it's really pretty.

you just think he is pretty

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pretty?? What are you, a poof??

That'd make a good poster though.

you just think he is pretty

I could pretend to be a poof...become Stoners live in manfriend...then ambush his wife!!!

[eelracing]

I could pretend to be a poof.

What do you mean pretend????

Stoners Grandmother telegrammed ...have you won the fucken thing yet!stop:If not then give that Honda to me stop:

[Crasherfromwayback]

What do you mean pretend????

Stoners Grandmother telegrammed ...have you won the fucken thing yet!stop:If not then give that Honda to me stop:

Quiet in the cheap seats mate! The Honda must be so easy to ride from way back when, when Rossi developed it eh??

Guess we'll see how easy next years Ducati is to ride shortly!

[cowpoos]

I agree, there's no way Stoner will ever beat Rossi's race win total, but that to me doesn't mean in my opinion he ain't better/faster.

Stoner is the most successful rider of the 800cc era period...not rossi...despite Casey having cronic fatigue issuse during a season!

He may never get as many wins as rossi...more wins and poduims..while racing together....that counts for a fuck load more than any other statistic the Rossi bum licker can throw at this discussion!

[bogan]

Stoner is the most successful rider of the 800cc era period...not rossi...despite Casey having cronic fatigue issuse during a season!

He may never get as many wins as rossi...more wins and poduims..while racing together....that counts for a fuck load more than any other statistic the Rossi bum licker can throw at this discussion!

you sure about that?

stoner has a 1st, 2nd, 4th, 4th, and 1st (safe bet)
rossi has a 3rd, 1st, 1st, 3rd and a balls-up season.

So rossi beat stoner in 3 out of 5 800cc championships, and got on the podium 4 times to casey's 3. Just saying

[Crasherfromwayback]

you sure about that?

stoner has a 1st, 2nd, 4th, 4th, and 1st (safe bet)
rossi has a 3rd, 1st, 1st, 3rd and a balls-up season.

So rossi beat stoner in 3 out of 5 800cc championships, and got on the podium 4 times to casey's 3. Just saying

And at the end of the season...Stoner will have won two championships (just like Rossi), but far more races. That makes it pretty easy to say who the better of the two is to me mate. Especially considering the bikes the two of them have had over that time.