Benefits

[avgas]

You don´t think cleaning companies make money or you don´t think DNA sequencing makes money?

Or both. In the grander scale of things.
Not saying they are useless - just saying the average $ seems to go to more useless activities such as generating money out of market collapses or pointless programs that make people feel good about the crap they spew out.
I mean think of the largest (public) genetic research firm you can thing of. Compare it size to the likes of Google, Apple, BP, Facebook, S&P........
If DNA sequencing made a gagillion % more than it takes to invest it.....every man and his half-cat-dog would do it. Unfortunately it doesn't - leaving on the purely dedicated scientists left to do it. The rest of us get careers that pay the bills. Some of us come up with ideas that make stupid amounts of money of simple ideas (facebook etc).
For every DNA sequencing role on seek, I imagine there are a few 1000 DBA, Sales rep or Java Developer roles. All paying more.

Its kinda sad really.

[mashman]

Yeah, good post. The over population of the earth is just the worst case scenario of the tragedy of the commons.

The solution is quite simple. We need to exterminate as many humans as we possibly can in as short a time frame as we possibly can.

World war three isn't going to ruin humanity, it's going to save it.

Granted, overpopulation MAY be a problem. It certainly will ni the future if we continue living the way we do. The funny thing is, not everyone wants kids. I doubt a lot of Catholic (not having a go, tis the only one I know that forces the non use of contraception) women really want to get knocked up on such a regular basis. we ain't gonna be here forever, as you know (coz i seen you post it once), we're spinning on an unstable ball in the middle of nowhere with chunks of rock passing by every now and then that could well finish us off. YU55, 1300ft, coming between us and the moon, could be pretty spectacular, or just another fizzle, anyhoo...

WW3, if it happens, ain't gonna save humanity at all, coz all of the powers that be will be hunkered in bunkers, and will exit with exactly the same attitudes and mindset that they had before they went in. All that will happen is that consumption will drop and we'll awaken to the bright new dawn of a policed state, more commonly known as slavery... But hey, that's just my opinion.

lol I know you're joking there but there are many people that sincerely believe this. That's another big delusion that we need to try think twice about. Really, how many more examples does NZ need to realise that these politicians don't give a toss about us?

-They don't know anything. Even if they were sincere about wanting to help the country they technically do not know how. Don't believe me ask one: How are you going to reduce the dole queue? How do you plan to ensure there is no corruption in government? All they can do is make laws, set budgets and declare war.

-They don't call the shots. We vote them in thinking they do but they don't. This country has a concept called "ownership", the people that own the various facilities which we need to survive and prosper call the shots: Telecom - telecommunications, Fonterra- dairy food, Banks- entire economy. Companies or capital owners are not subject to democracy (shock!), board elect their own members.

Politicians are put in place to keep things the same! They give us an election to keep us happy and lead us to believe we can change things, throw in a few terrorists that are jealous of our freedom and it's all hunkey dorey. So let's keep playing the 'Vote for this main party or that main party' game and be winners!

'None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who believe they are free'

I'm part joking. I believe that a Resource Based Economy will require a governmental body. That may change over time, but I highly doubt it as we'll need some "body" to communicate with a similar body in other countries around the world. I do not believe in centralisation, well not wholly, and certainly not on a global scale, the so called NWO, t'would be very bad.

As you say, politicians (ok, some ) really don't have their finger on the pulse for the country. They're too preoccupied with balancing the books and accept job losses, poverty, inequality etc... as acceptable collaterol damage of the system they hold so dear... you really can't get more fucked up than that.

As for not calling the shots... I agree with that, I can't prove it (as some would no doubt ask me to do, but then again they can't prove that there isn't an "entity" calling the shots), but I agree that this isn't the runaway train wreck of a society that we've been led to believe (even the crims helped out in Chch, shame some on the outside didn't). This points to their being an "entity" that's calling the shots and not our government in my opinion.

We're masters of our own destiny (to a large degree), and historically money has been shown not to work as a system of "control". So why haven't the hyper intelligent people (hard to keep a straight face) that run our world addressed this issue? Is it because they believe that it's a runaway train? Or because, as you say, they're all right jack and it's the people's own fault that we're in the predicament that we are in.

[avgas]

Why oh why do people never step out of the monetary paradigm when looking to solve problems? In this country it is acceptable to allow someone to starve or be homeless because they don't for whatever reason have money.

Einstein said 'You can not solve a problem with the same level of consciousness that created it'. If we try to beat poverty and welfare issues with money we are going to fail no matter what the plan. Money = debt in fractional reserve banking, someone is going to miss out on a dollar for every dollar spent......

All good - no argument from me

Everyone moaning about benefits and wanting to crack down on bludgers- you are but just puppets pleasing your masters. You people are blind; blaming the dole bludgers for not contributing to the slave machine, while the powers that be continue to laugh upon us. We look up to our slave masters, banking slobs who rape and pillage us from behind and instead we turn our nose up and show disgust at those who help and contribute to society. It's all a huge delusion surely? Besides, the far more important issue is not the fiscal leeching of our house of cards economy but rather the demographic problems that this mess is giving rise to. I suppose all you are worried about is your fucking tax money though.

Yeah Nah mabey.
I don't think people on here are complaining at unemployed who don't care to live in the system/machine. The are complaining because they are giving to the machine, and bludgers are RECEIVING from it. No one has a problem with someone who simply steps away from society for a while. Leeches come in many forms, from the fatty banker/govt types, or the horde of little breeding ones.

[imdying]

we're spinning on an unstable ball in the middle of nowhere with chunks of rock passing by every now and then that could well finish us off. YU55, 1300ft, coming between us and the moon, could be pretty spectacular, or just another fizzle, anyhoo...

Indeed. When you understand how fast we're moving in space, it's entirely possible something larger than us and unseen could hit us next week.

WW3, if it happens, ain't gonna save humanity at all, coz all of the powers that be will be hunkered in bunkers, and will exit with exactly the same attitudes and mindset that they had before they went in.

Fair point. I'll chew on that.

[jonbuoy]

All good - no argument from me

Yeah Nah mabey.
I don't think people on here are complaining at unemployed who don't care to live in the system/machine. The are complaining because they are giving to the machine, and bludgers are RECEIVING from it. No one has a problem with someone who simply steps away from society for a while. Leeches come in many forms, from the fatty banker/govt types, or the horde of little breeding ones.

Yup by all means - anyone who wants to step out of the evil money system and go self sufficient in a hippy commune or go off to live with some obscure tribe in the Amazon is fine by me.

Don´t all rush out to book those tickets at once now, its hard work living off only your own means. And if you need one of those pesky doctors or dentists and some modern medicines from an evil drug company you better bring along plenty of chickens to swap.

[Indiana_Jones]

...Skidmark. Yep sorry, realise you have all probably managed to erase him from your memory!

...still the same, bludging off the tax payer. No intention to work. Has managed to get two cars over the past 6 months and systematically pulled them to bits... lost half of the bits and now sulking.

We HAVE to get tougher on these people.

Nice to see my tax dollars going to good use.....

-Indy

[mashman]

22 percent increase in beneficiaries under National

"Minister of Social Development Paula Bennett today simply dismissed the massive increase in beneficiary numbers by saying 'job hunting isn't easy'."

Hardly surprising when you're competing with another 60,000 people is it? But then they can't be trying hard enough.

"They say it’s because you’re lazy. They say it’s because you make poor choices. They say it’s because you’re spoiled. If you’d only apply yourself a little more, worked a little harder, planned a little better, things would go well for you. Why do you need more help? Haven’t they helped you enough? They say you have no one to blame but yourself. They say it’s all your fault."

Oooooh look mummy, the worlds gone mad.

[Ocean1]

But then they can't be trying hard enough.

Get a haircut...

[mashman]

Get a haircut...

you're a brute ... I'm just follically challenged

[Bikemad]

ummmm..............whats a paradigm ????

[frogfeaturesFZR]

The ChCh quakes have added to the benefit figures, but then so has the global recession. Community work for the dole sounds good, just not sure who would oversee it. Might as well do something for the weekly benefit.

[jonbuoy]

Mash man do you work or are you on benefits?

[mashman]

Mash man do you work or are you on benefits?

I work and haven't been unemployed, nay, claimed benefits in 20 odd years. Does that really make a difference?

[Oscar]

I work and haven't been unemployed, nay, claimed benefits in 20 odd years. Does that really make a difference?

Not even Working for Families?

Pensioners Bus Pass, surely?

[Ratti]

The DPB is quite good money for a solo parent. They get like $480 a week, everything subsidised (including daycare). This is the most funniest part, they can send their child to day car five times a week from 7.30 - 17.30 and then go home and do nothing. WINZ say they have requirements on the parents, that they have to do some kind of activitity that show they are working towards getting back to work but seldomly the WINZ officer will follow this up.

A person who's on minimum wage get like 900 dollars a fortnight with no subsidies. So I understand solo parents they choose the DPB, it leaves them more money..

Being on the widows benefit for nearly 3 years now. Have worked part-time doing shit jobs for all but the last 3 weeks of that time. Now that my kids are old enough for me to consider full time work, you know what? At 47 I am too old, unqualified, unattractive, not fit enough, over qualified, etc etc for anything but minimum wage jobs. Seems in spite of being very intelligent and having many practical skills, I'm unemployable.
If I did take a minimum wage job, working the worst hours, I would get $50 a week more than I get now, and it would cost me more than that in travel costs to get to the place of work.
So, what should I do?