Benefits

[mashman]

Not even Working for Families?

Pensioners Bus Pass, surely?

Not even WFF.

... I doubt I'll make it that far

[jonbuoy]

I work and haven't been unemployed, nay, claimed benefits in 20 odd years. Does that really make a difference?

In a thread about benefits, yes. I was under the impression you were a stay at home dad from your earlier posts. You don't even get a little bit annoyed when you get your paycheck and see how much tax you have paid into the welfare system so a portion of society can choose not to work??

[mashman]

In a thread about benefits, yes. I was under the impression you were a stay at home dad from your earlier posts. You don't even get a little bit annoyed when you get your paycheck and see how much tax you have paid into the welfare system so a portion of society can choose not to work??

Heh, fairy nuff. I wish I was a stay at home dad, but we can't afford for me not to work... that's doesn't mean I couldn't just quit the "pursuit" of steady money , but that would mean "penalising" my family by removing the advantages that having money can offer.

When I see how much tax I pay for a year I snigger. As mentioned earlier, there are no doubt MUCH better uses for my tax $$$, but at least I know that I'm providing for those that need it (paramount in this day and age), as well as a whole raft of people that really REALLY don't... and that includes those who can afford to give to charity and then claim 33% back from the govt...

Any annoyance is directed at those that can well afford not to claim anything, but because there are "mechanisms" available to them, such as structuring their tax affairs, they become eligible for benefits... That's annoying. Those who don't have jobs aren't exactly creaming it and they get taxed on 100% of their income too.

But thems is the breaks and how it always has been, and probably always will, so I'll not lose sleep over it... moreover I can take some form of perverse comfort in the knowledge that I'm doing my "bit" for those who don't have it so good... shame it's used to pay for politicians mortgages, undies and life perks.

[Winston001]

You don't even get a little bit annoyed when you get your paycheck and see how much tax you have paid into the welfare system so a portion of society can choose not to work??

I don't. To be honest I don't even think about paying for beneficiaries. Tax is for schools, roads, hospitals, police, government, overseas aid, earthquakes etc etc. And old age super-annuitants.

I've taken an interest in politics for most of my life and have seen attacks on beneficiaries come and go. I used to agree but now I believe its pointless. The most simple solution is jobs and they cannot be magically whipped up out of thin air. Things will get better.

[Ocean1]

those who can afford to give to charity and then claim 33% back from the govt...

Pardon?

And tenshit

[mashman]

Pardon?

And tenshit

where de confusion?

[Ocean1]

Tax is for schools, roads, hospitals, police, government, overseas aid, earthquakes etc etc. And old age super-annuitants.

Yes.

And help for those who need it.

Trouble only starts when you try to qualify "need".

[Ocean1]

where de confusion?

You seem to object to the notion of treating a charitable donation as tax exempt like any other cost. If that's the case why? And what effect do you suppose the alternative might have on the level of donations?

[mashman]

You seem to object to the notion of treating a charitable donation as tax exempt like any other cost. If that's the case why? And what effect do you suppose the alternative might have on the level of donations?

Now where are you leading me with that... hmmmmmmm, let me see...... and the alternative is to just tax the bastards... and if they feel like donating to charity, then let them... surely it's about the giving and not the getting back? Less administration costs too perhaps.

[Ocean1]

Now where are you leading me with that...

Towards a more rational understanding of the world?

If someone donates a certain sum to charity why would they pay tax on that? And if they did surely they'd simply flag it, eh? Or at least revise the amount they can afford to give by 33%?

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you...

[James Deuce]

Towards a more rational understanding of the world?

If someone donates a certain sum to charity why would they pay tax on that? And if they did surely they'd simply flag it, eh? Or at least revise the amount they can afford to give by 33%?

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you...

Ahh, now, that's a simple one. Charities are not about servicing the needs of them people they claim to be servicing. They are simply there to service their administrative overheads. If a tenth of the money collected to help the people a charity claims they are collecting for got to the people that need it in the form of services or money to enable access to services the world would be a better place.

As it stands the bastards need to be taxed into oblivion. Maybe then we'd be able to introduce some sort of support structure into the education system for the disabled thanks to an increased tax take that was ring fenced for the health and education requirements of the disabled.

[jonbuoy]

Now where are you leading me with that... hmmmmmmm, let me see...... and the alternative is to just tax the bastards... and if they feel like donating to charity, then let them... surely it's about the giving and not the getting back? Less administration costs too perhaps.

Why are they bastards? Is the mad butcher a bastard for doing well for himself? Bill gates?

[Ocean1]

Charities are not about servicing the needs of them people they claim to be servicing.

My aim's better than that. It's unlikely those I donate to are on the official register.

[mashman]

Towards a more rational understanding of the world?

If someone donates a certain sum to charity why would they pay tax on that? And if they did surely they'd simply flag it, eh? Or at least revise the amount they can afford to give by 33%?

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you...

I understand it fine thanks... doesn't mean I have to like it eh

It's disposable income (as mentioned in the CGT thread, I realise that mine is a "petty"? point of view). Maybe. Probably.

Ok... the hand that allows me to be fed comes in two colours, Red and Blue, with a few other colours thrown in for alternative purposes... they ...................

Why are they bastards? Is the mad butcher a bastard for doing well for himself? Bill gates?

I don't care how well they do for themselves, whoopdeefeckindoo, congratulations, let's have a party to celebrate their wonderfullness... they eat, shit and root... and you're all bastards

[Ocean1]

It's disposable income

Now there's a weasle-word.

It suits you.