Speeding tickets. Why the angst?

[FJRider]

If that factor was taken out the accident wouldn't happen, stationary vehicles find it really hard to have accidents

But think of the money you'd save on fuel ...

if your talking "exceeding the posted speed limit" or even "to fast for the conditions" these both have relatively low representation in the statistics in-fact "speed" &/or drink driving are factors in less than 30% or accidents... "Most common" ay??? I think you'll find inattention &/or distraction is most common

Exceeding the posted ... and Too fast for ... are only two charges that can laid ... not factors that can cause an accident. Operating a vehicle that you dont have experience/ability to handle is not against the law.... if you have the correct licence. (for example) Is driver error against the law ... ???
Inattention and distraction(???) are only factors ... seldom the single cause of an accident.

If stupidity was a possible charge ... I think THAT would be the the most enforced ...

[Scuba_Steve]

Inattention and distraction(???) are only factors ... seldom the single cause of an accident.

Say what???
Of-course they'll never be the single cause nothing will, but they are the biggest causes of accidents.
speed while involved in every accident causes none it can only ever be a factor, it can be a factor in exaggerating an accident but you'd be hard pressed to find an accident caused by speed. Even those written off to "speed" you'll find it was inattention at that speed, or distraction at that speed, or inability to control the vehicle at that speed, never the speed itself, speed is only ever a factor never a cause.

[FJRider]

... Even those written off to "speed" you'll find it was inattention at that speed, or distraction at that speed, or inability to control the vehicle at that speed, never the speed itself, speed is only ever a factor never a cause.

Exactly as I said in my post ... but the one factor the powers that be ... (as well intentioned as they are) ... see as the (one) factor they can police ...

Amazing how often ... after an accident ... it is reported ... speed ... was a factor ... not the cause.

[Scuba_Steve]

Exactly as I said in my post ... but the one factor the powers that be ... (as well intentioned as they are) ... see as the (one) factor they can police ...

Amazing how often ... after an accident ... it is reported ... speed ... was a factor ... not the cause.

the reporting is because of legalities more than anything, I believe they aint allowed to report the cause until it has been officially determined so they say "speed" was a factor, which of-course it was it's impossible to have an accident without speed, but they have an agenda to push & that's trying to continue to get us to believe "speed" is bad, worse than theft, assault or child abuse (based on police commitment to these areas) & scamming us for it is good so the Govt can keep making their $$$.

[scumdog]

You kids STILL fuckin' about and niggling on this thread???

[Scuba_Steve]

You kids STILL fuckin' about and niggling on this thread???

Why yes, come join us won't you

[scumdog]

ahHA! And there you have the guts of the matter... and I'd take it further and say "why, of the things that are illegal, are some much more heavily policed than others"?

the answer, I suspect, is that the things most heavily legislated and 'policed' are those easiest to levy fines on and less likely to end up disputed in court (like a bike parked on the footpath) and the things that are less followed up are those that would take more time, effort and actual police-work to get a result.

forgive my cynicism, but I'm sure the authorities have KPIs just like the rest of us.

Cynical or naive??

[FJRider]

You kids STILL fuckin' about and niggling on this thread???

I have to ... I don't have SKY ...

[swbarnett]

I have to ... I don't have SKY ...

What do you mean you don't have sky?

Just poke your head out the window and look up.

[FJRider]

What do you mean you don't have sky?

Just poke your head out the window and look up.

This place has windows ??? .......

[mstriumph]

Cynical or naive??

well, both I guess .. part of my charm

[mstriumph]

It's really simple ... "accidents" are most usually caused by a number of factors ... with the most common factor being speed. If the speed factor was taken out of the accident "equasion" ... the accident would either not have happened, or would not be as serious.

So that factor is treated seriously ...

Simple eh ...

That's what the authorities would have you believe
If only it WERE that simple
To expand on that 'accidents' are caused by inattention, a driver's lack of ability to read the road and weather conditions, poor training, poor attitude, lack of sleep, bad temper, badly maintained roads, inadequate signage, etc etc etc and(perhaps) speed .... of those the only one that gets meticulously policed is speed - BECAUSE IT'S THE EASIEST - I rest my case.

[LBD]

And there is a difference between speed being a factor and illegal speed being a factor....after all if there was no speed at all there would be no accident....

The angst for me is when I get booked for 109 on an near deserted wide dry road...yes illegal but ....and this is where the angst comes in....in my opinion I was not being dangerous, I was riding to the conditions, I was having no affect on other drivers....but I am still being punished like a criminal....to a degree, it becomes a pride thing.

[Bob]

I have recently written a column for the Huffington Post on this very subject: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ot-of-all-evil

[Kickaha]

in my opinion I was not being dangerous

It seems as though no matter what the conditions or what speed no one pulled up for speeding ever considers what they were doing was dangerous