Are cagers too far disconnected?

[avgas]

Thing is, when my electrics do fail.....

TDM's don't break down.

They simply get abandoned.

[slofox]

I dunno about that.

I drive a 2002 Subaru wagon. Auto, AWD, ABS, VDC, etc etc etc. But I still feel like I am driving it. And I always have a fair idea of how fast I am going. I don't find that the mod cons make me any less connected to the fact that I am driving.

Maybe it's just me, I dunno. Maybe it's because I drove old shit heaps for centuries and have failed to "learn" the modern laziness...

[george formby]

TDM's don't break down.

They simply get abandoned.

No ABS on the TDM either, vintage all the way. Admittedly I do need to replace a speedo bulb before I chuck it a ditch.

[george formby]

I dunno about that.

I drive a 2002 Subaru wagon. Auto, AWD, ABS, VDC, etc etc etc. But I still feel like I am driving it. And I always have a fair idea of how fast I am going. I don't find that the mod cons make me any less connected to the fact that I am driving.

Maybe it's just me, I dunno. Maybe it's because I drove old shit heaps for centuries and have failed to "learn" the modern laziness...

Subarus are involving but still well appointed. Now a friends 4.0ltr Ford executive something or other is what I call totally detached. It's like driving trifle but less tasty.

[Indiana_Jones]

Yeah I think the point of the thread is of all the BS in cars these days

-Indy

[Edbear]

't aint the arrow - it's the Indian.

Now there's a man who can be accurate and succinct all at the same time...

I dunno about that.

I drive a 2002 Subaru wagon. Auto, AWD, ABS, VDC, etc etc etc. But I still feel like I am driving it. And I always have a fair idea of how fast I am going. I don't find that the mod cons make me any less connected to the fact that I am driving.

Maybe it's just me, I dunno. Maybe it's because I drove old shit heaps for centuries and have failed to "learn" the modern laziness...

You're one of the old style Kiwi's who actually learned how to drive properly and it's still with you. Ther aren't enough acronims to describe everything the Kiszashi has, sufffice to say that to crash it or spin it out, you'd have to be an absolute nutcase on steroids!

I still feel like I'm connected to the road and in control as I pass or get passed by ignorants who have their mind everywhere else but on what they are doing... Like the Oh, so upperclass gent driving a new M5 Beemer at erratic speed while trying to text surrepticiously this morning on the Southern Motorway in heavy traffic...

Or the middle-aged lady who tailgated me on the Northern each downhill section only to drop a hundred meters or more back on the slight up-hill sections and must have had to do in excess of 120km/h to catch me up on the next downhill so she could sit a metre or so from my rear bumper again. I had the cruise control on at a steady 104 on the GPS and the Suzuki jusat sat at that speed up or down the gradients. Her speedo must have been varying from 90 - 120+!

[Edbear]

't aint the arrow - it's the Indian.

Now there's a man who can be accurate and succinct all at the same time...

I dunno about that.

I drive a 2002 Subaru wagon. Auto, AWD, ABS, VDC, etc etc etc. But I still feel like I am driving it. And I always have a fair idea of how fast I am going. I don't find that the mod cons make me any less connected to the fact that I am driving.

Maybe it's just me, I dunno. Maybe it's because I drove old shit heaps for centuries and have failed to "learn" the modern laziness...

You're one of the old style Kiwi's who actually learned how to drive properly and it's still with you. Ther aren't enough acronims to describe everything the Kiszashi has, sufffice to say that to crash it or spin it out, you'd have to be an absolute nutcase on steroids!

I still feel like I'm connected to the road and in control as I pass or get passed by ignorants who have their mind everywhere else but on what they are doing... Like the Oh, so upperclass gent driving a new M5 Beemer at erratic speed while trying to text surrepticiously this morning on the Southern Motorway in heavy traffic...

Or the middle-aged lady who tailgated me on the Northern each downhill section only to drop a hundred meters or more back on the slight up-hill sections and must have had to do in excess of 120km/h to catch me up on the next downhill so she could sit a metre or so from my rear bumper again. I had the cruise control on at a steady 104 on the GPS and the Suzuki just sat at that speed up or down the gradients. Her speedo must have been varying from 90 - 120+!

[scumdog]

Yeah I think the point of the thread is of all the BS in cars these days

-Indy

Most of which I don't need.

And even more I'd never use.

They're freakin' cars - not mobile pleasure palaces.

[Usarka]

Drive down the road at 60kph and give the steering wheel a short but sharp turn then let go. Car carries on in straight line. Safety design feature of modernish cars.

How can something like that be "connected"?

[scumdog]

I (most probably like most of you) enjoy driving/riding I don't do it just to get places, I do it becuase I love it.
But it's got me thinking are modern cages too far disconnected from the road???
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Yup, nothing like feeling a few rattles, draughts and bumps to make you realise that yes, you ARE driving, not just dreaming it.

[Edbear]

Yup, nothing like feeling a few rattles, draughts and bumps to make you realise that yes, you ARE driving, not just dreaming it.

That's when we take the MX5 out for a spin, to remnd us how much fun driving can be.

[Indiana_Jones]

Most of which I don't need.

And even more I'd never use.

They're freakin' cars - not mobile pleasure palaces.

Exactly lol.

Granted I do have a heater in my car, I just stick on a jacket or jumper if I get cold. Hell it doesn't even have a fag lighter! but has ash trays.

If I get too hot I wind down the window!

-Indy

[steve_t]

Most people only drive one or two cars on a week-to-week basis. Whatever you drive, you quickly get accustomed to it have nothing to reference it against. I always think my subaru is hard sprung and very connected to the road but after a session of go-karting, getting in the subaru feels like i'm piloting a boat (nowhere near Tauranga)

[Hitcher]

are modern cages too far disconnected from the road???

Good question. But I suspect that you mean cagers (the people who drive) rather than the cages they drive around in. Modern cages are extremely well connected to the road, largely thanks to gravity and the profile of their tyres.

[Usarka]

Firestone have a good profile I see their ad's all over the place.