What would get you to watch local or national Superbike racing?

[imdying]

Oh, and please make the bike more attractive. A white unpainted fairing with some stickers on it don't make a good spectacle.

I guess that's just more money when some people have already spent all they have. I can live with that in any case if the numbers on the bike are big enough, and they're racing within coee of other bikes. It's no fun watching 10 bikes all circulating on their own.

P/A, this is improving and they do have a circuit radio station, perhaps we should have cheap radios available for spectators.

If I turned up there, and that was the case, would I buy this for $10? I sure would If you go to that effort, make sure the guy transmitting has something good to say, otherwise it's a wasted effort.

[DEATH_INC.]

Entertainment!
A good commentator, that knows his shit, and more importantly can entertain and get the crowd involved, rather than some guy rambling on about stuff no-one cares or knows about is real important. (trashy, you'd be good)
Whatever is used as fill ins needs to be good, not just some guy that can do skids and the odd wheelie, but someone really good. Anyone see the drifters at Hamilton? All the top guys (actually a couple of them would be a good filler too) Not just lower end guys doing little skids.
Drags may be fun, but you'd all hafta go to wherever they are to see it. Same with stunters etc, you need 3 or 4 so the whole crowd is kept amused.

Dunno, it really depends how far ya wanna go, I doubt NZ will ever get like europe or england, so maybe just keep it like it is and just accept it?

[yungatart]

I guess that's just more money when some people have already spent all they have. I can live with that in any case if the numbers on the bike are big enough...

MNZ has already adressed the issue with numbers not being big enough to read. If they don't comply the bike won't be on the track.

I agree with others re entertainment in the breaks...
And the programmes need to be up to date, which means racers need to get their entries in on time, so they are actually in the programme. Nothing worse than looking in the programme to see who is on bike #xyz, only to find it isn't there

[White trash]

Entertainment!
A good commentator, that knows his shit, and more importantly can entertain and get the crowd involved, rather than some guy rambling on about stuff no-one cares or knows about is real important. (trashy, you'd be good)

Fuck yeah! I can ramble on for hours about stuff no one cares about

[Mad-V2]

I still think that lunch time spectator rides (spectators ride the track on their own bikes under trackday rules and prices) would bring in alot more people.
I know I always want to get on the track after watching some racing and the people in the crowd will like it as they will be watching their mate/missus/hubby going for a blat.
Forget about advertising on trucks/busses/billboards and spend that money on T.V and radio.
Those are the best forms of advertising out there.

[Brian d marge]

I think you may need toilet paper instead of a napkin.

You may bring it on a silver platter

and you still didnt ask how I would do it

Stephen

[jellywrestler]

Food, we are governed by the contracted caterer at HD, but I can certainly express the need for more outlets.

the catering at the first nats at HD was a major dissapointment tahnkfully the crew have moved on since then and are doing it way better.
40mins to get a can of drink and i was sweating like an anorexic at laxative factory too. They underestimated the size of the crowd but could've had two lines at the foor outlet, one for off the shelf items and one for things that had to be made coffees etc, that was a simple solution to one issue, like i said thye've moved on
one thing i've suggested to the man from Austins (caterers) is to have a projector and a big screen in the function dome, pretty easy nowadays to pop any form of entertainment on and with that going the commentaters can point the bored that way any time of the day, especially when there's a major break happening..
he also complains that car guys dont stick around yet bike people do, if he had said system set and played on board footage after an event i'm sure he'd get a few more people in.

[SVboy]

You may bring it on a silver platter

and you still didnt ask how I would do it

Stephen

Lets hear it fella!

[Brian d marge]

Lets hear it fella!

anyone who signs with fella , I'm guessing isn't actually interested in the answer , but here is a whole 2 cents worth ....

Well how would I "fix " racing, well for a start I would look at what you have, what is working and not reinvent the wheel.

What's working , first you need to define working, My definition would be grids with 20 or more bikes and a large looking crowd, from a promoters view, a reasonable profit.
What's working, I would say paeroa and the Burt Munro for a start, Paeroa, a nice day out, food isn't bad, shops open, a pub of sorts ....but even then the last time I went, the mother and wife went shopping in Napier, had no interest in coming with the boys.

Burt Munro, is a celebration of motorcycles, lots of events lots to do, ( I assume) but again I couldn't imagine the wife sitting on a windswept beach watching motorcycles go round and round, let alone Ruapuna on a windy day ....

Looking at filling the grid, classes... well lets face it most people have no money, guessing here I would say the average despoable would be around the fifty dollar mark. So the racing has to be affordable and at the same time allow access or exposure to higher levels of experience, if one wanted to follow that avenue
Hence don't reinvent the wheel and use what is affordable to most. ( older more stock machinery)

What is the most easily accessable higher level of competition, I would say Australia , America or here in japan. So the bikes would have to be usable in said places so just copy the rules of the most accessible and compeditive classes, in say Australia. I use Australia as i assume it would be the most accessible to new Zealand, unless you moved and lived in another country , As some have done.

Secondly training, a class needs to promote learning in all areas of motorcycle racing, from the setup, engineering to race craft so that a youngster who want to make a living from motorcycles has a solid base of knowledge and experience. Aka formula fsea and red bull rookies....and there is a conciderable amount of this talent , just very hidden I feel.


So how would I do this,
Make the 600 the premier class, running both modified, aka Australian rules, and stock with times within 10 % or so
250 fourstroke aka the new moto3 and stock or modified stock, times within say 20 %
And finally buckets aka streetstock Ala formula fsae using the university's and polytechnic s to promote engineering ( what is already happening but for motorcycles not cars
Finally pre ( say) 1990 something that you and I could afford to race on a family two kids budget ....all in times within 10 % , the same as what Australia already does


As for the entertainment and getting the wives interested, some sort of warm wind free relaxing food/drink place with alternative form of entertainment, say short land street or what ever is popular on TV or what ever
Doesn't really matter, this is just a quick thought, but what really needs to happen is, clear transition paths, where you can sell one bike and move up, 2; affordable in today's environment and 3; incentive for people to participate whether to gain experience in engineering,or to spectate ..... to promote skills or businesses, ( no I don't mean a cheap sign) I dont see much sign of this....
And finally if the ladies and kids WANT as in actually want,,,, to come then that's the magic formula right there, rembering its the wife that buys the car the husband just thinks he does ......
Don't get this as all negative there is some really good stuff going on, but honestly, sitting on a windswept field, watching the same few bikes going round and around isn't even worth fifteen dollars, I can get a few beers and download wsbk, for the same money....



Me, I would go to ruapuna for, custom bike show, a BBQ and cheap and a beer, on a semi warmish day ( a place where I could relax , ) ....and for that an easy fifty would leave my pocket ...the racing would be secondary to me ......and interesting second when Ive had my fill of the other stuff ....

There are my thoughts, same as the last time, and this time next year the same threads will be popping up .........


Baseball isn't a game...... its a family entertainment ........for all the family.

Stephen.

[ellipsis]

...you didnt actually vary too much from whats been recorded , thus far...next...

[Kickaha]

Secondly training, a class needs to promote learning in all areas of motorcycle racing, from the setup, engineering to race craft so that a youngster who want to make a living from motorcycles has a solid base of knowledge and experience.

Which is exactly what is being done with streetstock but only in the South

Ala formula fsae using the university's and polytechnic s to promote engineering ( what is already happening but for motorcycles not cars

I like that idea there are a couple (at least)Formula fsae guy who have posted here before, it would be interesting to get their views on that

Finally pre ( say) 1990 something that you and I could afford to race on a family two kids budget ....all in times within 10 % , the same as what Australia already does

If you looked at what some people spend on those classes you'd see the word affordable doesn't really work

[Brian d marge]

Which is exactly what is being done with streetstock but only in the South

I like that idea there are a couple (at least)Formula fsae guy who have posted here before, it would be interesting to get their views on that

If you looked at what some people spend on those classes you'd see the word affordable doesn't really work

thats all good new then , things can always be made to work , point still stands about two kids affordable ,

Stephen

[dean boy]

Hi just some more information, it's on eventfinder, I think this link will work


http://www.eventfinder.co.nz/2012/ne...istchurch-city

[avgas]

i was thinking the number needs to be more like 10,000

I would be curious to see what numbers the 4&Rotary nationals pull this year. In comparison to the biggest NZSB event......

Yet I imagine there are probably just as many bike nuts as rotor nuts in this country......if not more.

[SVboy]

anyone who signs with fella , I'm guessing isn't actually interested in the answer , but here is a whole 2 cents worth ....

Well how would I "fix " racing, well for a start I would look at what you have, what is working and not reinvent the wheel.

What's working , first you need to define working, My definition would be grids with 20 or more bikes and a large looking crowd, from a promoters view, a reasonable profit.
What's working, I would say paeroa and the Burt Munro for a start, Paeroa, a nice day out, food isn't bad, shops open, a pub of sorts ....but even then the last time I went, the mother and wife went shopping in Napier, had no interest in coming with the boys.

Burt Munro, is a celebration of motorcycles, lots of events lots to do, ( I assume) but again I couldn't imagine the wife sitting on a windswept beach watching motorcycles go round and round, let alone Ruapuna on a windy day ....

Looking at filling the grid, classes... well lets face it most people have no money, guessing here I would say the average despoable would be around the fifty dollar mark. So the racing has to be affordable and at the same time allow access or exposure to higher levels of experience, if one wanted to follow that avenue
Hence don't reinvent the wheel and use what is affordable to most. ( older more stock machinery)

What is the most easily accessable higher level of competition, I would say Australia , America or here in japan. So the bikes would have to be usable in said places so just copy the rules of the most accessible and compeditive classes, in say Australia. I use Australia as i assume it would be the most accessible to new Zealand, unless you moved and lived in another country , As some have done.

Secondly training, a class needs to promote learning in all areas of motorcycle racing, from the setup, engineering to race craft so that a youngster who want to make a living from motorcycles has a solid base of knowledge and experience. Aka formula fsea and red bull rookies....and there is a conciderable amount of this talent , just very hidden I feel.


So how would I do this,
Make the 600 the premier class, running both modified, aka Australian rules, and stock with times within 10 % or so
250 fourstroke aka the new moto3 and stock or modified stock, times within say 20 %
And finally buckets aka streetstock Ala formula fsae using the university's and polytechnic s to promote engineering ( what is already happening but for motorcycles not cars
Finally pre ( say) 1990 something that you and I could afford to race on a family two kids budget ....all in times within 10 % , the same as what Australia already does


As for the entertainment and getting the wives interested, some sort of warm wind free relaxing food/drink place with alternative form of entertainment, say short land street or what ever is popular on TV or what ever
Doesn't really matter, this is just a quick thought, but what really needs to happen is, clear transition paths, where you can sell one bike and move up, 2; affordable in today's environment and 3; incentive for people to participate whether to gain experience in engineering,or to spectate ..... to promote skills or businesses, ( no I don't mean a cheap sign) I dont see much sign of this....
And finally if the ladies and kids WANT as in actually want,,,, to come then that's the magic formula right there, rembering its the wife that buys the car the husband just thinks he does ......
Don't get this as all negative there is some really good stuff going on, but honestly, sitting on a windswept field, watching the same few bikes going round and around isn't even worth fifteen dollars, I can get a few beers and download wsbk, for the same money....



Me, I would go to ruapuna for, custom bike show, a BBQ and cheap and a beer, on a semi warmish day ( a place where I could relax , ) ....and for that an easy fifty would leave my pocket ...the racing would be secondary to me ......and interesting second when Ive had my fill of the other stuff ....

There are my thoughts, same as the last time, and this time next year the same threads will be popping up .........


Baseball isn't a game...... its a family entertainment ........for all the family.

Stephen.

Sorry, the "fella" tag was aimed at a what I considered a somewhat arrogant post. Lets put it down to the lunch time wine. You have a great summary of ideas there, but as Kikaha says, its mostly been said. I agree that events such as the burt etc are successful as more accessable entertainment, but the OP is more concerned about the Nationals racing series. I personally dont know if a reoganisation and streamlining of classes would work-people have made their investments into their various classes, and to exclude them would risk alienating ground roots racers. You make good points about attracting new blood etc, but I would wonder if NZs current economic climate would be condusive to these reforms. I am not being reactive I hope, just a little more in tune with the realities of trying to personally support my own very limited racing here in NZ. I do hope promoters can add appeal to the Nats racing, but I feel its important for the racers to control their own destiny, not those in charge of entertainment. I go to Ruapuna for the racing and other things are very secondary for me.