Post 90 Carb Bikes at VMCC.

[Ronin]

all iv been told is number are down alot from last year and your not hosting the nationals cause your losing money great if your not!! time are not to great and l think its a good idea like your doing to get more people out there with this class. l just looked up times from 98-99 nationals at manfeild and 108's were the times they were doing think that same bike could do 7s today with better tires.. were 95 bikes were doing more like 11 from nz riders. maybe put the pre 96 bike with the 89 boys and the 97-99 carb bikes with the super bikes? just a idea and l do know unless you stick a good rider on the bike there not going to get near the times l said just saying the differents..cheers

I think you will find that the way to lose money is to host the Nationals.

[CHOPPA]

I think you will find that the way to lose money is to host the Nationals.

Not if its done right

[Ronin]

Not if its done right

Then I suggest you do it.

[CHOPPA]

Then I suggest you do it.

Hey theres a good idea! How about we get the riders to organise it and we can get everyone to come to the track to watch the flag marshals

[slowpoke]

Then I suggest you do it.

Have a look at a few threads around the traps and you'll see that's exactly what he's trying to do.

[Skunk]

Not if its done right

Not as easy as you might think Sloan. I'd be interested to hear your ideas as no matter how I look at it to make money you need one or more of the following:

• Host it in the South Island
• Awesome weather with lots of people wanting to come to the track and pay a huge gate fee
• $300 entry fee
• Mad sponsors who want to hand over large amounts of cash for little return

I'd be happy to run a Nationals Round if I could get the budget to work - but I can't without one of the above.

[jellywrestler]

[*]Awesome weather with lots of people wanting to come to the track and pay a huge gate fee

One of the problems with the Manfeild round this year was the gate keepers weren't taking money from everyone, that had to hurt them a bit.
I heard two different people crowing about how they got in for free, they thought it was a huge joke sadly

[White trash]

One of the problems with the Manfeild round this year was the gate keepers weren't taking money from everyone, that had to hurt them a bit.
I heard two different people crowing about how they got in for free, they thought it was a huge joke sadly

Manawatu Orion ran it this year though, didn't VMCC offer free gate entry last time they held it?

[wharfy]

Manawatu Orion ran it this year though, didn't VMCC offer free gate entry last time they held it?

Correct, it was hoped more spectators would show up and also you have to pay more for track hire if you charge an entry fee for spectators.
Overall I think it worked out better, don't think it made a huge difference to the number of spectators but it meant that the volunteers could be doing other stuff. And It did sort of indicate that even though people whine about the cost of entry it is not a major factor in the attendance levels at meetings.

I did the gate at one National round (where entry was charged) it is a real pain, I did enjoy being the friendly face of motorcycling, but being responsible for considerable amounts of cash with no real audit/security was not that great and also having to be a policeman for the few wankers that wanted to get in for free took a lot of the fun out of it.

[White trash]

Correct, it was hoped more spectators would show up and also you have to pay more for track hire if you charge an entry fee for spectators.
Overall I think it worked out better, don't think it made a huge difference to the number of spectators but it meant that the volunteers could be doing other stuff. And It did sort of indicate that even though people whine about the cost of entry it is not a major factor in the attendance levels at meetings.

I did the gate at one National round (where entry was charged) it is a real pain, I did enjoy being the friendly face of motorcycling, but being responsible for considerable amounts of cash with no real audit/security was not that great and also having to be a policeman for the few wankers that wanted to get in for free took a lot of the fun out of it.

Manfeild's always going to be a failure for spectator numbers. Being two hours away from the nearest major centre has more to do with it than entry prices.

[CHOPPA]

Not as easy as you might think Sloan. I'd be interested to hear your ideas as no matter how I look at it to make money you need one or more of the following:

• Host it in the South Island
• Awesome weather with lots of people wanting to come to the track and pay a huge gate fee
• $300 entry fee
• Mad sponsors who want to hand over large amounts of cash for little return

I'd be happy to run a Nationals Round if I could get the budget to work - but I can't without one of the above.

If a $300 entry fee is what it takes to make it a more professional operation then so be it. A $500 entry fee for a fucken awesome event would be worth it. We spend $700-$800 on tyres per race. To spend an extra $200 on an entry fee so we actually have a spectacle we can promote to current and potential sponsors is well worth it.

Its about $700 for entry to an ozzy event.

[Kickaha]

If a $300 entry fee is what it takes to make it a more professional operation then so be it. A $500 entry fee for a fucken awesome event would be worth it. We spend $700-$800 on tyres per race. To spend an extra $200 on an entry fee so we actually have a spectacle we can promote to current and potential sponsors is well worth it.

Its about $700 for entry to an ozzy event.

How many people would enter if it cost $300 at every round when there's struggle for numbers at the current pricing

$500 each round and I doubt you would even have an event

[CHOPPA]

How many people would enter if it cost $300 at every round when there's struggle for numbers at the current pricing

$500 each round and I doubt you would even have an event

Every superbike and 600 rider that races the nationals would

[slowpoke]

How many people would enter if it cost $300 at every round when there's struggle for numbers at the current pricing

$500 each round and I doubt you would even have an event

It's a chicken or the egg situation. We struggle to promote and put on a decent show, so we struggle to get sponsors. But we need the sponsors to promote and put on the show we need to get the sponsors......geddit?(lol).

It's like being turned down for a job because you don't have experience....how do you get the experience without the job?

The answer may be to reach into our own pockets, to take some short term pain, for some long term gain. Like the bloke who works for nothing to get the experience he needs to score a paying job.

[Kickaha]

Every superbike and 600 rider that races the nationals would

Pretty big call saying that, have you asked each and everyone of them?

I know you Superbike guys find it hard to believe but however much you'd like it to be the Nationals isn't just about your classes and without the other classes you might find yourself paying a lot more than $500

Anyway I thought this thread was about Post 90 Carb Bikes at VMCC?