Occupy Dunedin?

[HenryDorsetCase]

has anyone suggested in response to the question "Occupy Dunedin" the answer "Well, someone should"

[Big Dave]

The protest started in America ...snip.....

I agree with you - but as Bowie says 'This is not America'.

[oneofsix]

has anyone suggested in response to the question "Occupy Dunedin" the answer "Well, someone should"

The Scots did hence why we ended up with the city.

[tigertim20]

Careful. They could be checking this thread with their iphones.

haha. and they advertised it on their Facebook accounts, while sitting at their HP computer

[jazfender]

This is primarily about financial institutions, not consumer companies, except those trying to use their corporate muscle to influence politics.

You are missing the point if you think someone in an adidas tracksuit is being hypocritical by protesting the financial sector grip on the economy and the subsequent recession.

With regards to the pay/power disparity, wearing commonfolk brands while protesting this is again not hypocritical. Maybe if they were wearing Givenchy while doing it, sure.

Keep in mind that when you are buying a product like an HP computer or a branded pair of shoes - you are not expecting that brand to use their power to corrupt your political and financial systems.

If you lot actually thought for more than two seconds about this instead of writing it off as a bunch of complaining hippies, you might see that this is something that is in most of your interests.

[jim.cox]

This is why people are protesting on Wall Street...

[tigertim20]

Keep in mind that when you are buying a product like an HP computer or a branded pair of shoes - you are not expecting that brand to use their power to corrupt your political and financial systems.

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really? - funny cos I think that someone who buys things from a large company and thinks that that company won't go and do whatever they can politically, legally, immorally or otherwise to benefit themselves is an ignorant naieve moron.
Thats the reality of big business - they are political.

This is why people are protesting on Wall Street...

yeah but he's black?

[avgas]

This is primarily about financial institutions, not consumer companies, except those trying to use their corporate muscle to influence politics.

Tomato - Tomaeto
$ vs expense
Everyone flexes a political muscle somehow. Companies like Greenpeace etc thrive on the fact that people get all emotional.
These protesters are exactly the same. If you don't think so then why are they in Wall St instead of central park????

Fact of the matter while there argument is a good one. Its not a clear one. And they mask it even more by using product from companies they are supposedly protesting against.

Protest Fail.

[avgas]

really? - funny cos I think that someone who buys things from a large company and thinks that that company won't go and do whatever they can politically, legally, immorally or otherwise to benefit themselves is an ignorant naieve moron.

Actually he and you are both right.
Consumers are naive morons.

Apple is now one of the biggest mega co's in the world now. Why? Because they return no profits to anything but their bottom line. Yet they put a perception out there that they are saving the planet. Don't believe me - google it. esp the donations made Gates vs Jobs.
How many itunes recording studios you seen?
Apple is a fantastic greedy company. I completely love them from a business point of view. Its like growing money. As so long as they keep spinning the same presentations, people will keep thinking they are saving the planet. Its brilliant.

Same could be said about Rakon. According to the NZX people. Rakon is a god send to NZ economics. Never mind what products they make. Nor the fact they fluctuate more often than my bowel.

Don't forget all the adverts for the crashed finance co's. "We are the safest bet"

Perception is a mother fucker, and consumers are idiots. Marketing is the tool. Even the protesters are using it against consumers right now. Which is why they have support.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Some of the stories I've read are tragic, and the "We are the 99%" slogan is quite touching.

Here's a particularly tragic one:

[JimO]

like we need another a moisture farm around here

[misterO]

Uncle Owen was a good man, he deserved better than that. In all fairness, hats off to these brave young lads who have abandoned the comforts of the couch and a private toilet to protest: whatever. Hackey sack, drum circles and patchouli oil really can make the Earth a better place. And, if these champions of integrity are lucky enough- they might even meet some girls and get on TV! Who cares if this began as a sincere and overdue American backlash against U.S. corporate greed- Down with Capitalism and stuff! Fight the Power! Non-Conformists-Against-Independent-Thought: YEAH! Oh, and by the way- when you're all worn out from sticking it to The Man: Starbucks is only two blocks away and they have a delicious double de-caff soy latte mochachino and clean toilets. May The Force be with you.

[jazfender]

really? - funny cos I think that someone who buys things from a large company and thinks that that company won't go and do whatever they can politically, legally, immorally or otherwise to benefit themselves is an ignorant naieve moron.

Only one e in naive bro.

Thats the reality of big business - they are political.

Yeah that's part of what they're protesting about. Get it yet?

[Winston001]

This is why people are protesting on Wall Street...

Yeah. No.

The clips you posted of the court sentences aren't quite accurate. The finance guy was not guilty of perpetrating the fraud, but of aiding and abetting his superior, Lee B. Farkas, who was sentenced to 30 years in prison without parole.

The homeless man Roy Brown had 7 prior convictions and this particular offence was armed robbery. The sentence of 15 years which I also think was hugely excessive neverthless illustrates how the Three Strikes Law works. A law which people want here in NZ.

Anyway the correct comparison is 30 years and 15 years.

[jazfender]

Tomato - Tomaeto
$ vs expense
Everyone flexes a political muscle somehow. Companies like Greenpeace etc thrive on the fact that people get all emotional.
These protesters are exactly the same. If you don't think so then why are they in Wall St instead of central park????

Fact of the matter while there argument is a good one. Its not a clear one. And they mask it even more by using product from companies they are supposedly protesting against.

Protest Fail.

One of the issues is that a small number ie 1% of the corporations/rich are influencing politics disproportionately. It wouldn't be a problem if everyone had equal influence on the policies.

What is not clear about this?