Benefits

[scissorhands]

Often people who are just different, but develop comorbid conditions, like stress related depression, addiction, anxiety etc. Often comorbid conditions would exist anyway, as genetic disturbances in the digestion system usually co exist anyway. However, most comorbids are due to society imposing a narrow set of rules on those who stress out, from their ability to comply to standards their minds struggle with

Society does not accept them for who they are, or appreciate their intelligent sensibilities. Dominant males in the herd prevent the retard from tainting the herd in fear that his offspring outnumber his own...

Its good that companies have programs in place for the neurodiverse, but usually its mostly working at Macdonalds.

I love the ignorant emotive ravings tho and way you guys yell at things you dont like, like swearing at a bike that wont start

And for the record: ADHD is very different from aspergers, in that ADHDers have abundant energy and are extreme doers, creators and go getters........ and aspies are lazy physically, and more suitable as designers, inventors and techies

retards are like immigrant workers, they can do the job as well as anyone else, its just they are not welcome by the majority

hence, teams of thai painters, vietnamese bakeries, superqualified russian engineers driving taxis.....understand? kapesh?

as an aside many immigrants are running away from non acceptance at home, often due to neurodiversity the neurtypical are always least likely to immigrate.....

Trying to fit in with kiwis in a typical workplace, is rife with issues for those who are different

STOP FORCING A ROUND PEG IN A SQUARE HOLE

and it will be plain sailing thenceforth

I worked all the overtime I could, took high paying short term shutdown work and 72 hour week construction sites in remote locations, and retired young. I have an overseas job waiting for me in oil and gas. I just choose to twaddle here instead, like you guys choose to do instead of work, or are you twaddling on company time????

[avgas]

Often people who are just different, but develop comorbid conditions, like stress related depression, addiction, anxiety etc. Often comorbid conditions would exist anyway, as genetic disturbances in the digestion system usually co exist anyway. However, most comorbids are due to society imposing a narrow set of rules on those who stress out, from their ability to comply to standards their minds struggle with
Society does not accept them for who they are, or appreciate their intelligent sensibilities. Dominant males in the herd prevent the retard from tainting the herd in fear that his offspring outnumber his own...
Its good that companies have programs in place for the neurodiverse, but usually its mostly working at Macdonalds.
I love the ignorant emotive ravings tho and way you guys yell at things you dont like, like swearing at a bike that wont start
And for the record: ADHD is very different from aspergers, in that ADHDers have abundant energy and are extreme doers, creators and go getters........ and aspies are lazy physically, and more suitable as designers, inventors and techies
retards are like immigrant workers, they can do the job as well as anyone else, its just they are not welcome by the majority
hence, teams of thai painters, vietnamese bakeries, superqualified russian engineers driving taxis.....understand? kapesh?
as an aside many immigrants are running away from non acceptance at home, often due to neurodiversity the neurtypical are always least likely to immigrate.....
Trying to fit in with kiwis in a typical workplace, is rife with issues for those who are different
STOP FORCING A ROUND PEG IN A SQUARE HOLE
and it will be plain sailing thenceforth

Quick question. Something I asked myself some time ago when I was thinking what you are thinking now.
What if we are wrong?
What if the hole/game has changed?
What if being normal is now the problem?

When I actually looked around at the world after asking myself these questions - I soon realized that holding assumptions was a chumps game and that things and ideals that existed 10-15 years ago were dead.
Friend of mine was a veitnamese baker......he is now retired in a $1M house in the shore. Not bad for a years work. Those Russian engineers don't want engineer work here as they enjoy the time at home with their families.
On the flip side I have a straight A high flyer engineer mate. Did everything right through school, did everything right through Uni, did everything right through his graduate years. And now he is boxed in because his work won't promote him due to needing him right where he is. He can't leave for a better job because the market only pays a set amount for his specialization. And he can't think any other way. He has no mental disability except for the fact that he can't stand to rewrite his own destiny.

What if we are wrong? What if the hole is now round and the squares no longer fit.

[mashman]

What if being normal is now the problem?

Bingo imho. There's no such thing as normal, never has been, never will be, but it doesn't stop certain groups of "higher functioning" "like minded" people trying to deny that fact (and telling us that we're wrong)... and by using a financial system and paying them what their perceived worth is, shows just how fuckin stupid these people and their guage of ability really is/are! (go on, deny it so I can laugh at you)... What cracks me up is that the mantra seems to be "it's business and not personal". I call bullshit!

Frinstance... how far do you reckon this fella would have gotten in his field had his "disease" taken him before he had earned his wings?



Until you bury this utterly useless and divisive financial system and the dickheads who purport to be its masters, the country won't get its best bang for buck in terms of $$$ and the right person for the right job! But please, by all means carry on regardless, I find it highly entertaining

[Oscar]

Bingo imho. There's no such thing as normal, never has been, never will be, but it doesn't stop certain groups of "higher functioning" "like minded" people trying to deny that fact (and telling us that we're wrong)... and by using a financial system and paying them what their perceived worth is, shows just how fuckin stupid these people and their guage of ability really is/are! (go on, deny it so I can laugh at you)... What cracks me up is that the mantra seems to be "it's business and not personal". I call bullshit!

Frinstance... how far do you reckon this fella would have gotten in his field had his "disease" taken him before he had earned his wings?


Until you bury this utterly useless and divisive financial system and the dickheads who purport to be its masters, the country won't get its best bang for buck in terms of $$$ and the right person for the right job! But please, by all means carry on regardless, I find it highly entertaining

What mkes me laugh is the number of people in this country like you who bleat on about the system whilst making nebulous and/or completely unsupported ‎allegations about conspiracies, cartels and corruption.‎

Perhaps you could consider the following remedies:‎

• Run for public office or shut the fuck up.‎
• Become politically active or shut the fuck up.‎
• Come up with a scintilla of evidence for your fetid ravings or shut the fuck ‎up.‎

You see, the fact that you may be one or all of : ‎
• a loser ‎
• socially inept ‎
• stupid ‎
• clinically insane ‎
Is not the fault of the system, it's your problem. ‎

Of course it may be that an overwhelming proportion of the population is wrong, and ‎you alone are right. In that case feel free to put your case to the entire country and be ‎hailed as a Messiah…‎

[Banditbandit]

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Of course it may be that an overwhelming proportion of the population is wrong, and ‎you alone are right. In that case feel free to put your case to the entire country and be ‎hailed as a Messiah…‎

Or nailed to the nearest cross ...

[Banditbandit]

Often people who are just different, but develop comorbid conditions, like stress related depression, addiction, anxiety etc. Often comorbid conditions would exist anyway, as genetic disturbances in the digestion system usually co exist anyway. However, most comorbids are due to society imposing a narrow set of rules on those who stress out, from their ability to comply to standards their minds struggle with

I know .... I know ... You read Foucault last week ... I'll bet you got an A ...

[imdying]

STOP FORCING A ROUND PEG IN A SQUARE HOLE

Blah blah blah, yet again.

If I had a whole heap of usless round pegs I'd be building a new shower block and digging a big pit.

[avgas]

I know .... I know ... You read Foucault last week ... I'll bet you got an A ...

Because nothing has changed in the world since he passed away

[shrub]

Of course it may be that an overwhelming proportion of the population is wrong, and ‎you alone are right. In that case feel free to put your case to the entire country and be ‎hailed as a Messiah…‎

Or could it be that an overwhelming proportion of the population think what they're told to think, say what they're told to say and do what they're told to do? Just like we have done since Ugg and Ogg first got together and formed a tribe. Once we believed that if we didn't give the shaman a nice, crisp virgin to enjoy on the full moon we would all become impotent, then we believed that if we didn't go to church regular and give buckets of cash to the priests God would smite us down and send us to hell. Now we believe that if we don't cut benefits, strip the public service and give the rich tax cuts we will never be able to afford that new TV.

We have always believed what our priests tell us and we always will.

[Oscar]

Or could it be that an overwhelming proportion of the population think what they're told to think, say what they're told to say and do what they're told to do? Just like we have done since Ugg and Ogg first got together and formed a tribe. Once we believed that if we didn't give the shaman a nice, crisp virgin to enjoy on the full moon we would all become impotent, then we believed that if we didn't go to church regular and give buckets of cash to the priests God would smite us down and send us to hell. Now we believe that if we don't cut benefits, strip the public service and give the rich tax cuts we will never be able to afford that new TV.

We have always believed what our priests tell us and we always will.

Or it could be that the overwhelming proportion of the population is actually ‎happy with their lot (ref. the recent opinion poll on the subject).‎

Whereas I’m quite happy to debate any part of your last statement regarding ‎economic and social policy, I think that accusing the general population of being ‎under the thrall of voodoo economics or some sort of consumer cargo cult is ‎paternalistic and arrogant. ‎

[mashman]

What mkes me laugh is the number of people in this country like you who bleat on about the system whilst making nebulous and/or completely unsupported ‎allegations about conspiracies, cartels and corruption.‎

Perhaps you could consider the following remedies:‎

• Run for public office or shut the fuck up.‎
• Become politically active or shut the fuck up.‎
• Come up with a scintilla of evidence for your fetid ravings or shut the fuck ‎up.‎

You see, the fact that you may be one or all of : ‎
• a loser ‎
• socially inept ‎
• stupid ‎
• clinically insane ‎
Is not the fault of the system, it's your problem. ‎

Of course it may be that an overwhelming proportion of the population is wrong, and ‎you alone are right. In that case feel free to put your case to the entire country and be ‎hailed as a Messiah…‎

@ conspiracy, cartel and corruption... and what makes you so sure that none of that exists?

As for your remedies

• I wouldn't waste my energy, any more so than I currently do here, by having any dealings with public office on their terms. And as they won't meet me on mine...
• Politically active... hmmmm, nope, I'd rather storm the castle and start moving "us" forwards, but unfortunately I have to consider people such as yourself.
• What evidence do you require for which particular raving?

And I most certainly won't shut the fuck up. You shut the fuck up

I'll take all of those labels, and more, wanker, idiot, retard, fuckwit etc... but what does that have to do with my ravings? , sorry, forgot your need to play the man not the ball.

No, it is the fault of the system and those who guard it so fervently without any care, or indeed knowing full well that it leads to poverty, death, corrpution, etc... I pity the fools who don't believe that it is the system, and those who wield it like a toy, that is/are at fault.

As we all know, I am not the vehicle for conveying such a "plan", although I'll throw my ideas in if required... I'm not the only one that sees the undeniable sense in it. It'd certainly shut the fuckin whining up (mine included) in regards to beneficiaries, bludgers, rip off merchants, all but erradicate crime, it would erradicate poverty, promote competition, innovation, everyone would have an even playing field at the start, justice may well actually be served for a change and that's just the tip of the iceberg... but why wouldn't anybody want anything like that? Would it make poor Oscar feel less special?

[avgas]

Or could it be that an overwhelming proportion of the population think what they're told to think, say what they're told to say and do what they're told to do? Just like we have done since Ugg and Ogg first got together and formed a tribe. Once we believed that if we didn't give the shaman a nice, crisp virgin to enjoy on the full moon we would all become impotent, then we believed that if we didn't go to church regular and give buckets of cash to the priests God would smite us down and send us to hell. Now we believe that if we don't cut benefits, strip the public service and give the rich tax cuts we will never be able to afford that new TV.

We have always believed what our priests tell us and we always will.

Tis a 2 way street though.

[Winston001]

Or could it be that an overwhelming proportion of the population think what they're told to think, say what they're told to say and do what they're told to do? .....

Now we believe that if we don't cut benefits, strip the public service and give the rich tax cuts we will never be able to afford that new TV.

We have always believed what our priests tell us and we always will.

I think society is much more complex than all of us being under some collective illusion. Many many people do not take the time to think deeply about social and economic values, but that is because they are just busy enough getting by. Paying the mortgage and bills, worrying about the children, hoping for a holiday soon in Oz with the cheap fares.

I also think the vast majority of New Zealanders are satisfied with life in this country.

As for the "priests" - that usually translates as "wise men". Who are respected in all cultures. We all recognise even if we won't say it, that some folk are smarter than others. We respect experts - whether its making an excellent stone spear-head or leading a group. Sometimes we pick the wrong priest - Adolph Hitler, but mostly the right ones. T'were otherwise humans would have died out aeons ago.

[Oscar]

I'll take all of those labels, and more, wanker, idiot, retard, fuckwit etc... but what does that have to do with my ravings? , sorry, forgot your need to play the man not the ball.

The only time I feel the need to play the man is when the man in question keeps posting fanciful horseshit that has no basis in fact.

For example, this is straight out of the "Do it yourself Propaganda kit": '..bury this utterly useless and divisive financial system and the dickheads who purport to be its masters..". What does that actually mean? Did you find it in an issue of Pravda from the sixities?

[mashman]

The only time I feel the need to play the man is when the man in question keeps posting fanciful horseshit that has no basis in fact.

For example, this is straight out of the "Do it yourself Propaganda kit": '..bury this utterly useless and divisive financial system and the dickheads who purport to be its masters..". What does that actually mean? Did you find it in an issue of Pravda from the sixities?

Oh I see, you don't see something as fact so instead of posting an example, as you just did (imagine my surprise ), you start with a personal attack... which is emotionally ignored I'm afraid . anyhoo...

The financial system is divisive, FACT, with crap coming from all ends of the spectrum, jealousy, greed and generally mean spirited attitudes towards those who have and those who have not. The dickheads exist (we see some of them on telly). They perpetuate the system by not coming up with, or even offering, ANY viable alternative, not one, not a sausage, but moreover spend all of their time making and lobbying for stupid laws that suit the money makers... all without dealing with any of the root causes. If they're that smart and have "our" welfare at heart, humanity wouldn't be in such a state, FACT.

No propaganda there in my eyes, just a few facts wrapped up in a sentence (I made it up) that highlights the root cause of just about every problem that exists in society today.