Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council (Ex Motorcycle Safety Levy Establishment Group)

[Smifffy]

Calling a requirement to save money for ACC on crashes and recuperation a constraint to the MSAC.

Oh I see, lol. You see 'constraint' isn't my word, it's the name of the section from the terms of reference that piece was quoted from. ACC call it a constraint, because that is the constraint that the minister, through ACC has placed on the Council.

I don't believe that it is accurate to "stress that the Council is independent from ACC"

I do wonder what could possibly lead the chair to make such an outlandish statement when it is patently untrue.

[riffer]

I do wonder what could possibly lead the chair to make such an outlandish statement when it is patently untrue.

Without trying too much to speculate I'd say it's quite possible that, given he's actually out of the country at the moment, someone is acting by proxy.

[avgas]

The press release is something. Should we be grateful for it?

Nope. I could have change the words "motorcyclists" to "bankers" and we would be talking the recovery package for the world financial crisis......

There was NOTHING in that article - which is pretty sad considering I have actually spent no time on this particular subject for 3 weeks.

If I pay for someone I expect them to bloody work. Draw up milestones, and release this information with the stakeholders.

Gareth is doing exactly what he did with Kiwisaver working groups......waste money and deliver 3/8th of fuck all.

I thought I would calm down after giving this a 3 week break.......but now I am fucken riled up again.

See you all in a month. Things better have bloody moved....

[Smifffy]

Levy increase: 1 July 2010

Council announced: 21 January 2011

Terms of reference (undated) released on ACC website

Ad Hominem press release: 24 March 2011


Have I missed anything out?

[Smifffy]

I've just read back over a few pages, and must apologise for having been such an ignorant fool. I truly could never have foreseen the spectacular successes this organisation was to make in such a short time.

Next time I'll be sure never to question the motives of the bureaucrats.

[avgas]

Thanks. Now I am shitty again.

[Smifffy]

Thanks. Now I am shitty again.

Text DUNG to 244 and the McSAC will sort that out for you.

[StoneY]

Text DUNG to 244 and the McSAC will sort that out for you.

Somehow I doubt that.
Of all the things they are doing, that's the biggest waste of money IMO.
As is looking at visi vests and shit.
Dare to suggest the rumble strips are as dangerous to a bike as shit on a corner is and whoa.......spanking time.
There is a govt group already dedicated to that work, and tens of thousands of dollars to set up a text service for shit on the roads is not what I would like to see my 90$ I put in to the fund spent on.
Its states clearly in the TOR that things that are already funded need not be paid for out of the MSL... so why did we pay for this text service? The Stock Effluent Working Group should have picked up that tab.

We need to implement the improvements the Aussies made to their road infrastructure and engineering policies, and no that's NOT make the roads straight..... its more about removing the avoidable obstacles at roadsides, better sign technology, or make the barriers more biker friendly with skid rails along the bottoms gaps of armco etc...
The best shit I saw before Morgam sacked me for using Kiwibiker was what the aussies have done in the way of barrier and sign post improvements (snap off posts, foldover roadmarker posts, high grip road markings)
Anyone who came to the Coro Loop event would have seen em for themselves....
OH but that's right we only gave you lot 6 days notice on a weekend a major bike rally was on as well!!

5 people showed up... good thing ACC provided food for 300 then aint it? Smoked mussels in a thai sauce at that, lots of high flying expensive shit and a catering team of 6.....and some real fancy stuff I don't even see at Logan Browns! Man that food was nice...pity it all went to the Auckland City Mission because no BIKERS showed up.

Its being run like a corporate business and that's just fuckin ridiculous.

Seems these opinions of mine grated on the Chair and his mate in the Beehive, they sacked me for speaking my mind and posting on Kiwibiker.
And they have the cheek to expect me to still let them use my picture on the safety fliers the coppers hand out... amazing!

Anyhow, off to a bike rally. Have fun everyone and...watch out for shit on the roads. After all... hefty chunk of your levy's is paying for a text service that is IMO ...... an epic FAIL!

[MSTRS:Me]

So...the judgement that most of us reserved, is now in. And it is more-or-less exactly what we predicted.
Did we really expect any different?

[avgas]

So...the judgement that most of us reserved, is now in. And it is more-or-less exactly what we predicted.
Did we really expect any different?

I was hopeful on the fact they would have given up by now and we would all be $30+ richer p/a.
But then I remembered that certain people never give up on money and power.

[yungatart]

Somehow I doubt that.
Of all the things they are doing, that's the biggest waste of money IMO.....
...Anyhow, off to a bike rally. Have fun everyone and...watch out for shit on the roads. After all... hefty chunk of your levy's is paying for a text service that is IMO ...... an epic FAIL!

That is really sad. Whilst I hoped it would be different, I didn't really believe it would. I came out against the levy, I have never trusted political groups to look after and spend my money wisely. Sadly, there is little satisfaction in being proved right.

Oh well, might churn out a letter to an MP or 2 before I start my weekend....

[Smifffy]

Yeah, sorry the sarcasm font got broken with the latest forum software update.

I agree shit on the roads is the least of my worries, but it's what they are doing with the money and as I said a while back, despite being called an ignorant fool, I'd like to support them if possible.

Again the coro loop thing was:

• Too short notice
• Not what bikers wanted

I would have thought the organising committee would have at least been in contact with 1 organised bike group to ensure a turn out better than that.

Other than on KB, which as you said you weren't even allowed to use, where else was this ride advertised?

If I had known they were putting on thai mussels I would have been less interested. Better a mussel pie from maketu bro.

Bikers like pies.

I didn't trust McSAC then, and I don't trust them now. Where's our man from the AA these days?

Somehow I doubt that.
Of all the things they are doing, that's the biggest waste of money IMO.
As is looking at visi vests and shit.
Dare to suggest the rumble strips are as dangerous to a bike as shit on a corner is and whoa.......spanking time.
There is a govt group already dedicated to that work, and tens of thousands of dollars to set up a text service for shit on the roads is not what I would like to see my 90$ I put in to the fund spent on.
Its states clearly in the TOR that things that are already funded need not be paid for out of the MSL... so why did we pay for this text service? The Stock Effluent Working Group should have picked up that tab.

We need to implement the improvements the Aussies made to their road infrastructure and engineering policies, and no that's NOT make the roads straight..... its more about removing the avoidable obstacles at roadsides, better sign technology, or make the barriers more biker friendly with skid rails along the bottoms gaps of armco etc...
The best shit I saw before Morgam sacked me for using Kiwibiker was what the aussies have done in the way of barrier and sign post improvements (snap off posts, foldover roadmarker posts, high grip road markings)
Anyone who came to the Coro Loop event would have seen em for themselves....
OH but that's right we only gave you lot 6 days notice on a weekend a major bike rally was on as well!!

5 people showed up... good thing ACC provided food for 300 then aint it? Smoked mussels in a thai sauce at that, lots of high flying expensive shit and a catering team of 6.....and some real fancy stuff I don't even see at Logan Browns! Man that food was nice...pity it all went to the Auckland City Mission because no BIKERS showed up.

Its being run like a corporate business and that's just fuckin ridiculous.

Seems these opinions of mine grated on the Chair and his mate in the Beehive, they sacked me for speaking my mind and posting on Kiwibiker.
And they have the cheek to expect me to still let them use my picture on the safety fliers the coppers hand out... amazing!

Anyhow, off to a bike rally. Have fun everyone and...watch out for shit on the roads. After all... hefty chunk of your levy's is paying for a text service that is IMO ...... an epic FAIL!

[Flip]

I get a real sinking feeling about whole MsSAC.

Based on my previous experiences I have little to no respect for Morgan, I am however willing to give them as a group a go before I throw my toys out of the preverbial cot.

I wonder how long it will be before they advise we all have to wear high vis vests.

[Spearfish]

So...the judgement that most of us reserved, is now in. And it is more-or-less exactly what we predicted.
Did we really expect any different?

Probably not, but I had hope.

[dmc]

Guess they must be doing a stella job as it the first I've heard of them.