Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council (Ex Motorcycle Safety Levy Establishment Group)

[Smifffy]

Guess they must be doing a stella job as it the first I've heard of them.

Yeah, they're fucking awesome!

[nosebleed]

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Again the coro loop thing was:

• Too short notice
• Not what bikers wanted

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IIRC it was also pissing down with rain (at least forecast to).

[Tunahunter]

You sure it's not just because you're a whinging unionist pom who's not happy unless he's trying to stir up shit?

If that were a Facebook entry I would post "LIKE"

[StoneY]

Yeah, sorry the sarcasm font got broken with the latest forum software update.

I agree shit on the roads is the least of my worries, but it's what they are doing with the money and as I said a while back, despite being called an ignorant fool, I'd like to support them if possible.

Again the coro loop thing was:

• Too short notice
• Not what bikers wanted

I would have thought the organising committee would have at least been in contact with 1 organised bike group to ensure a turn out better than that.


Bikers like pies.

Yep, they did alert all our groups, I spread the word to the North Island BRONZ branches, the others all told their groups too but FFS 6 days????? The reason for the 6 day notice was the Aussie engineers happened to be here ....... so save 2 air fares?
Well I would rather have paid another 2 return fares to/from Oz than see all that food that no one ate go cold.
Piss ups and pubs analogy springs to mind......... Guaranteed had I been asked to organise it I would have got several hundred there.... done it before after all. And it would have had a far longer lead time and not been on the weekend of the cold duck.

I didn't trust McSAC then, and I don't trust them now. Where's our man from the AA these days?

Believe it or not, he is the only one left in that group I trust...proven to have a very sane point of view and is usually more in tune with the opinions we would express here than anyone else on that group.
Also note, he manages to utilize Kiwibiker, and tells them he will not have his rights to use it curtailed.
Double standards.... YEP!

[oneofsix]

As discussed StoneY, they only invited you to join the group to shut you up. Now they get to say they had to kick you off because you were a loose cannon, well derr, a tightly controlled citizen doesn't organise protest rallies. Oh yeah and what did they want to do? organise a rally of bikers so they don't go to the one of their members with proven experience?? Sounds like NZ management to a tee. Oy Oy Oy or should that be Oink Oink Oink?

[BoristheBiter]

Somehow I doubt that.
Of all the things they are doing, that's the biggest waste of money IMO.
As is looking at visi vests and shit.
Dare to suggest the rumble strips are as dangerous to a bike as shit on a corner is and whoa.......spanking time.
There is a govt group already dedicated to that work, and tens of thousands of dollars to set up a text service for shit on the roads is not what I would like to see my 90$ I put in to the fund spent on.
Its states clearly in the TOR that things that are already funded need not be paid for out of the MSL... so why did we pay for this text service? The Stock Effluent Working Group should have picked up that tab.

We need to implement the improvements the Aussies made to their road infrastructure and engineering policies, and no that's NOT make the roads straight..... its more about removing the avoidable obstacles at roadsides, better sign technology, or make the barriers more biker friendly with skid rails along the bottoms gaps of armco etc...
The best shit I saw before Morgam sacked me for using Kiwibiker was what the aussies have done in the way of barrier and sign post improvements (snap off posts, foldover roadmarker posts, high grip road markings)
Anyone who came to the Coro Loop event would have seen em for themselves....
OH but that's right we only gave you lot 6 days notice on a weekend a major bike rally was on as well!!

5 people showed up... good thing ACC provided food for 300 then aint it? Smoked mussels in a thai sauce at that, lots of high flying expensive shit and a catering team of 6.....and some real fancy stuff I don't even see at Logan Browns! Man that food was nice...pity it all went to the Auckland City Mission because no BIKERS showed up.

Its being run like a corporate business and that's just fuckin ridiculous.

Seems these opinions of mine grated on the Chair and his mate in the Beehive, they sacked me for speaking my mind and posting on Kiwibiker.
And they have the cheek to expect me to still let them use my picture on the safety fliers the coppers hand out... amazing!

Anyhow, off to a bike rally. Have fun everyone and...watch out for shit on the roads. After all... hefty chunk of your levy's is paying for a text service that is IMO ...... an epic FAIL!

Well first let me apologize to you for calling you a few names, one of them being a yes man.

But it seems my other thoughts, that this was a waste of time and Morgan is a dick, has come to fruition.

I did think it was very naive of you to think it was going to be something other than a complete waste of time and money.

[avgas]

Yep to be honest with you Stoney. You were the only person I trusted in McSAC - purely because we have had out shit fight in the past and I found you to be pretty damn genuine.

I have had shit fights with Morgan for sometime. And found him to be a scumbag and a liar. His number one strength is giving people a false sense of security. His lies give him power over people.
Like I said before. Don't be surprised if he uses McSAC as a stepping stone for his political path.

[Pampera]

Text DUNG to 244 and the McSAC will sort that out for you.

I signed up with ACC website ages ago for e-mails advising progress with the MSAC and "Safety" levy. For nearly 18 months, nothing, leading me to the conclusion that - as I actually always expected - nothing of value would (or in fact could) be delivered with the money collected.

Apologies for being so slow, but I only just realised that the "DUNG" link went to the MSAC website and that such a thing existed. ACC and MSAC never sent me advice of this, despite being signed up for such! I eagerly reviewed the "Moto NZ"" site but after nearly 18 months of levy collection all I see is "we are gunna do this and gunna do that", plus a Coromandel and Green Line initiative which, reading here, have been failures.

Wow! They really have delivered nothing tangible (measurable), have no stated plan to deliver anything and don't even provide basic accounting information (levy collected, levy spent - on what, funds on hand and budget for the future).

I have had about $165 extorted from me so far, getting on towards paying for a decent pair of gloves (next year). This would have been something tangible I could have done with the money - had it been left for me to decide its use - keep my protective gear fresh and new. But all I get is a shiny website trying to cover the fact there is nothing of substance behind (and I will still have to pay to update my gloves!).

There is not much I can do but I will certainly exercise my duty to ask "my" politicians questions in the next three years. Nobody is listening now but perhaps the 2014 election will be more marginal and stimulate more interest on their part! Unless there is clear evidence in a year or two that this scheme is delivering more than it cost then there is really no political justification for its continued existence (unless the objective is just to penalise motorcyclists).

Michael

[Ocean1]

Unless there is clear evidence in a year or two that this scheme is delivering more than it cost then there is really no political justification for its continued existence (unless the objective is just to penalise motorcyclists).

Michael

News: No government spending is cost effective.

If any spending were to return benefits worth the original price or more then individuals would have spent the money themselves.

So, by inference any politician promising to spend more of your money on your behalf, or spend it more effectively is either:
a) taking money from a minority to buy a majority vote,
b) lying like a sausage in fat.



Or increasingly: c) Both.

[oneofsix]

Unless there is clear evidence in a year or two that this scheme is delivering more than it cost then there is really no political justification for its continued existence (unless the objective is just to penalise motorcyclists).

Michael

If it delivered anything other than failures I would be more comfortable with it. So far it has lived up to expectations. I expect it will soon be a victim of Government services cuts.

[avgas]

You have raised a good point.
No one would have complained about the $30 if it went towards a voucher to buy some actual safety equipment.
I wouldn't mind a $30 Qmoto voucher every year. Even if I was technically paying for it.
Hell even if you had full gear you could save em for something nice or put it on trademe.

[bogan]

You have raised a good point.
No one would have complained about the $30 if it went towards a voucher to buy some actual safety equipment.
I wouldn't mind a $30 Qmoto voucher every year. Even if I was technically paying for it.
Hell even if you had full gear you could save em for something nice or put it on trademe.

exactly, I'd be up to about 90 bucks by now, get a decent pair of gloves for that, which are the next on my list for upgrading as it turns out. But a free sausage sizzle in the coromandle on a wet day is just as good right?

Now I'm angry again, thanks avgas

[bogan]

Just had another look at their site, Gareth has posted a bit regarding the Intersections and loss of control, no tangible options for me to own yet. Plenty of assurances they are/will do good things though

To me it seems the biggest and easiest area for improvement, has to be from rider skill. Roads will always have a chance of being messy, other road users will always be arseholes. I want to spend my money on some training, new gear, and keep my bike in tip top condition (I would thoroughly recomend some EBC HH pads btw); however all these things are (rightfully so) outside MOTONZ's operating area as they are covered by ACC funded stuff already. So the assurances focus on the somewhat less effective option improving the environment for us, don't get me wrong, this is also something I would like to see done, but surely those causing the problems should fund their rectification?

I guess the argument is, we take your money and spend it on something less effective because you can't be trusted to spend it on the most effective option if we let you keep it.

[imdying]

I have had shit fights with Morgan for sometime. And found him to be a scumbag and a liar. His number one strength is giving people a false sense of security. His lies give him power over people.

Gee man, you make him sound like some sort of super human. Stick a knife in his gut, he'll bleed out like any other.

[avgas]

Gee man, you make him sound like some sort of super human. Stick a knife in his gut, he'll bleed out like any other.

yeah.......but thats illegal......
By the way seen his latest return on YOUR kiwisaver? http://www.gmi.co.nz/kiwisaver/performance-returns.aspx

I make more money wanking to Internet porn.