Oh those naughty motorcyclists

[Usarka]

reefton has car ????????????

They stopped it at the traffic light.

[cheshirecat]

Some of the bikes made in the UK when Joseph Lucas ruled as "the Prince of Darkness" might not respond too well to that treatment.
Then there's the small matter of Italian electrics...

There is a reason for having a qualifying date in the law.

And the one make worse than Lucas if that were possible - Miller.

As a matter of interest, when I changed from riding a darkish bike not using headlights (as is or was my habit) to a bright red bike with twin headlights I noticed little if any change to vehicles pulling out, indeed there have been a few instances of cars, having seen you, making an extra effort to pull out. In addition having spent some years DRing in London I never used headlights (unless dark) and never had a collision, but then I rode as being invisible plus a few other tricks.

[jellywrestler]

All Motorcyclists regardless of age of bike should ride with their headlight on as its better to be seen out there even if some car drivers for some reason dont see you cos they dont look before pulling out in froint of you.

thats BULLSHIT
This means they won't look for anything else except a headlight, you've simple read too much propaganda.

[davereid]

All Motorcyclists regardless of age of bike should ride with their headlight on as its better to be seen out there even if some car drivers for some reason dont see you cos they dont look before pulling out in froint of you.

Do you have any evidence that riding with a headlight on makes you safer ?

Drivers regularly pull out in front of trains which have very bright headlights.

There is significant evidence that suggests that while a headlight may make you more visible, that it may destroy depth perception. This is due to the way the human eye, and depth perception works.

It uses shape, binocular vision, and memory of the objects expected shape and size to determine distance.

A single light source destroys the ability of the brain to determine distance.

In WW1 (No I wasn't there) ships used dazzle camouflage. Instead of hiding the ship, it was painted in dazzling bright striped colours, and particularly on a moonlit night was well lit with a single bright light.

This was done to confuse the gunners attempting to hit it, by ruining their range estimations.

It worked really well.

Headlights on is just more drivel from the uneducated we love you lot at the MOT.

[StoneY]

I am very interested in knowing if this campaign uses the flyer they handed out last year.
My face was used on that flyer without my legal consent (they used the images off www.rideforever.co.nz)

If it has been I will be very happy to totally discredit this so called safety campaign, s I have :
Been suspended for speeding related offences twice in the last 24 months, and am paying off a huge pile of speeding fines!

Thats so ironic ... aint it????

[Pogo2]

They stopped it at the traffic light.

Reefton has a traffic light - surely you jest!

[bsasuper]

I was "asked to stop" at one of these, they were only interested in getting the point accross that "you are the problem".When I talked about educating non motorcycle persons to be aware, and the condition of our poorly designed, constructed and maintained roads, I was asked to move on.

[Murray]

Look forward to this - heading to Palmie Friday back Sunday - hope they have a hot cuppa ready and waiting for me

[jellywrestler]

Reefton has a traffic light - surely you jest!

reefton was in fact the first place in new zealand to get electricity

[rastuscat]

Exactly how does repeatedly pulling a 50 year old licenced rider, dressed properly for riding, with 33 years riding experience on a registered, warranted Vespa out of a busy peak hour traffic flow "encouraging both car drivers and motorcycle riders to respect each other"?

How can they check your licence status without stopping you and requiring you to produce it?

The guy or girl Popo who stopped you the second time, did they stop you the first time? If not, how could they have known you had already been stopped.

What if you had been disqualified? How could they check without stopping you to see who you are?

Don't be so bloody precious.

[rastuscat]

When I talked about educating non motorcycle persons to be aware, and the condition of our poorly designed, constructed and maintained roads, I was asked to move on.

Yeah good idea, lets just keep riding any way we want while we wait for everyone else to change.

[StoneY]

Yeah good idea, lets just keep riding any way we want while we wait for everyone else to change.

I'll agree with that!
Laws??? What laws?

[rastuscat]

reefton was in fact the first place in new zealand to get electricity

Yeah, it's also got one of those anti-christ intersections with a stop sign on one side and a give way sign opposing it. Recipe for confusion.

[rastuscat]

Remember everyone. Whatever goes wrong, it's someone else's fault.

Blame SOE. SomeOne Else.

[steve_t]

Do you have any evidence that riding with a headlight on makes you safer ?

Are we allowed to extrapolate from studies about DRLs (Daytime Running Lights) on cars?



Nearly all published reports indicate DRLs reduce multiple-vehicle daytime crashes. A study examining the effect of Norway's DRL law from 1980 to 1990 found a 10 percent decline in daytime multiple-vehicle crashes.1 A Danish study reported a 7 percent reduction in DRL-relevant crashes in the first 15 months after DRL use was required and a 37 percent decline in left-turn crashes.2 In a second study covering 2 years and 9 months of Denmark's law, there was a 6 percent reduction in daytime multiple-vehicle crashes and a 34 percent reduction in left-turn crashes.3 A 1994 Transport Canada study comparing 1990 model year vehicles with DRLs to 1989 vehicles without them found that DRLs reduced relevant daytime multiple-vehicle crashes by 11 percent.4

In the United States, a 1985 Institute study determined that commercial fleet passenger vehicles modified to operate with DRLs were involved in 7 percent fewer daytime multiple-vehicle crashes than similar vehicles without DRLs.5 A small-scale fleet study conducted in the 1960s found an 18 percent lower daytime multiple-vehicle crash rate for DRL-equipped vehicles.6 Multiple-vehicle daytime crashes account for about half of all police-reported crashes in the United States. A 2002 Institute study reported a 3 percent decline in daytime multiple-vehicle crash risk in nine US states concurrent with the introduction of DRLs.7

Federal researchers, using data collected nationwide from 1995-2001, concluded that there was a 5 percent decline in daytime, two-vehicle, opposite-direction crashes and a 12 percent decline in fatal crashes with pedestrians and bicyclists.8 However, a 2008 federal study concluded that DRLs have no significant effect on either of these crash types.9


Also: http://www.landesverkehrswacht.de/fi...gfahrlicht.pdf

Also : A European Commission study in 2006 suggested that a substantial number of casualties could be prevented across the EU with a positive benefit-to-cost ratio when the costs of fitting lamps and the environmental cost of running them was taken into account.


I personally wouldn't mandate for cars having DRL's cos they could make motorcycles less conspicuous. I also believe the 'propaganda' that mandatory headlight use for motorcycles is a good thing