Is John Key the man to lead NZ?

[Hinny]

Agreed about the Presidential style campaign but every country uses it these days.
I don't believe that is true.

I don't like it either and the Labour campaign rates higher IMHO.
This seems a strange comment to me.
Perceptions eh?
I can't see that at all.

But probably not with the voters: it is much easier to look and listen to one person. In the last three elections Helen Clark ran a Presidential campaign, and good on her. It worked.
Always having the answer may have resonated with voters as well.

Anyway, these murky finances, corruption etc, can you give specific details please Hinny?

Not interested in falling into the argumentative trap.

[Hinny]

And Banks has got a Harley!What does that tell you?

We could start a thread on that theme.
What sort of bike would John Key ride?
Piaggio?

[Subike]

We could start a thread on that theme.
What sort of bike would John Key ride?
Piaggio?

A Yamaha of course
He presses all the right keys to make people react
Keys is his name
Yamahas are often called key boards

[Headbanger]

If he had death threats then that makes their failure even worse.

yep

Much more of this and I'm just going to revert to my state of fuck em all.

[ellipsis]

....i reiterate my previous post....no.....

[Winston001]

Not interested in falling into the argumentative trap.

Mmmm...understood but its easy to cast serious aspersions on the internet which other people might be influenced by.

Saying that the present government which includes the Maori Party is complicit in corruption, excluding minorities, nepotism etc is strong stuff. Very easy to say but you need to back it up. With respect, why say it if you cannot draw specific and consistent examples?

[Brian d marge]

yeah, they could start by stopping with the bashing of babies to death.

Then perhaps there bid to control (and receive commission on) every aspect of New Zealand would have some credibility.

Ok , perhaps not.

you have no idea of what your talking about.........

marginalized societies often form their own rules , ... and they may not be white and/or middle class.....

go on,,, please challenge what I have said , as the explanation will show , the mess NZ is in due to the apathy and sheer stupidity of white mite class puritans


Stephen
btw the reply will be Monday as I am in meetings all day tomorrow ( Sunday)

[Brian d marge]

No you just think you dont need it. Why spend money on roads when you can have better suspension to absorb the bumps on the roads we already have.

nice reply , .......Thank god my hemorrhoids are under control and I wont be needing your services for a few more years, also ....I do hope you don't carry a grudge and charge a now old age pensioner for services rendered ,........

[Headbanger]

you have no idea of what your talking about.........

marginalized societies often form their own rules , ... and they may not be white and/or middle class.....

go on,,, please challenge what I have said , as the explanation will show , the mess NZ is in due to the apathy and sheer stupidity of white mite class puritans


Stephen
btw the reply will be Monday as I am in meetings all day tomorrow ( Sunday)

Whats to challenge, you haven't said anything....

We know that a portion of our society choose not to live by our accepted standards, its in the paper on a constant basis.

Its why we have jails.

I can see your reply coming from miles away, sure, there is a validity in ignoring the action and looking at the conditions that contributed to in order to try and stop it happening again but its an evil to society to remove a persons responsibility for their actions and the actions of their parents.

To fix a problem you need to take ownership of it, ownership of the act and the consequences. This is the very place that Maori leadership should stand up as the proud people they claim to be and lead ffs.

Anyone blaming the rest of society is contributing to the problem, even if there is much that can be (and should be) down in the extended community.


I'm thinking a dip in an acid tank for every piece of scum that beats a child.

And now I await your pompous convoluted conceited reply. I of course will have no idea if you have any idea of what you are talking about, you generally speak from so deep within your own anus its impossible to tell.

[=cJ=]

No you just think you dont need it. Why spend money on roads when you can have better suspension to absorb the bumps on the roads we already have.

Robert Taylor for P.M!

Could you imagine the WOF inspections under his regime "sorry sir, your rebound damping is way off, thats a fail..."

In all seriousness though, this whole MMP thing is pretty much a joke if dealing etc decides the balance of power.

[rainman]

Key's much vaunted increase in diplomatic protection was obviously a waste of money.
His astuteness at not noticing the recorder several cms from his hand is immeasurable. Could have been a bomb.
The Aussie handlers are doing a great job focusing on this storm in a tea cup. Divert all media attention to this.
Labour policies don't get a look in.
Then the counter intuitive attention focus.
Say they want to "focus on the economy". They don't really though. Why would they? They really have fucked up. . . as predicted.
Those that belittle the job that Michael Cullen did before are ignoring statistics and are out of tune with Bill English who conceded that "he did a pretty good job".
The same cannot be said of the current holder of the purse strings.

If the Nats wanted to focus on the economy maybe they would have turned up for a few more radio interviews and answer some of the media questions about policy:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10767255

And Banks has got a Harley!What does that tell you?

I believe the correct term is "had". It was nicked, I understand.

[Hinny]

Mmmm...understood but its easy to cast serious aspersions on the internet which other people might be influenced by.

Saying that the present government which includes the Maori Party is complicit in corruption, excluding minorities, nepotism etc is strong stuff. Very easy to say but you need to back it up. With respect, why say it if you cannot draw specific and consistent examples?

As I indicated, these are 'veteran role models'.
I feel confident that for as long as you have been interested in politics you would have been aware of the plethora of examples in the popular press, both historical and current.

The prospective sale of irreplaceable state owned assets, and the given reasons for such a sale, could easily be considered an example.
Previous sales have become cash cows for the new owners and, if historical energy costs were used as a forecaster of future pricing, they have not delivered the cost savings so wildly trumpeted. Their dividends have become part of the 15Billion dollars a year flooding out of this country.
Security of energy supply, security of food and water supply are paramount objectives for any govt. committed to making the people of their country better off.
Security of natural assets is also hugely important. If you take the examples of Chile and Jamaica one can see what happens to countries who lose control of their assets.
In Chile Kennacot Copper controlled the copper production. Allende came to power pledging to make the wealth of the country for the people of the country. The Yanks ousted him and put Gen. Pinochet in power. Good move?
Much like the Australian example where Goff Whitlam said " the wealth of Australia should be for Australians". They got rid of him too.
In Jamaica the wealth of the country and most of the land has been 'acquired' by multi-national corporations.
Despite the abundance of natural wealth the Jamaican people are desperately poor.
In NZ, 30 years ago, 4/5ths of the Taranaki province was owned by foreigners. Arguably the greatest dairying area in NZ. The industry that provides the majority of our income. This is an example of a slide down the greasy path which the current talk of misappropriation of NZ assets is now poised upon.
An indicator that this is a con job must surely be the constant changing of reasons and excuses for the sales.
These assets are our heritage and should be our legacy.

[davereid]

We could start a thread on that theme.
What sort of bike would John Key ride?
Piaggio?

He has a full class 6 licence for what its worth.
Here is a copy of John Keys driver licence details that the NZTA sold me.

[Hinny]

He has a full class 6 licence for what its worth.

Hard to imagine him riding a bike.

• How did you get this info?
• What sort of bike would he ride?

[MIXONE]

Hard to imagine him riding a bike.

• How did you get this info?
• What sort of bike would he ride?

It would have to be a cafe racer so he wouldn't be late for his next meeting with Banksy.