Child abuse: when the FUCK are we going to actually take this seriously?

[Brett]

Stay with me here....rant ensues

Yet another story in the news of a South Auckland baby beaten and ultimately killed by a family member with no self control. story here http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10767644

The baby (a 6 month old) woke him up from his sleep, so James Hemana grabbed the kid by the front of his onesie pajamas and proceeded to "violently punches him back and forth repeatedly before dropping him on to the bed'' and at another instant picked the baby up by the leg and shook him violently. All of this because the baby cried and woke him up.
When the mother tried to intervened, he responded with "I don't give a fuck bitch, I'll waste all of you's".

THEN the dumb arse mother, didn't do a single thing to seek medical attention for the kid that was "Most of the time he was effectively lifeless and unresponsive.'' and whose eyes would roll back in his head and he would vomit (brain injury anyone??) 5 days later after finally going to hospital, the kid dies.

This type of story is far too common. There is far too much fucking talk in this country on cracking down on this sort of thing. These CUNTS (a word I do not use often) will get a prison sentence tantamount to a slap on the wrist, there will be much wringing of hands and some public outcry and then in a few weeks/months there will be yet another case.

The facts in point:
- man, an adult gets woken up by 6month old baby
-adult male loses temper and beats baby severely
- adult male then threatens to kill mother (guessing here by the use of the term "you's") and children? other family members?
- mother does fuck all to get child seen to.
- child dies.

When is this issue actually going to be taken seriously? When will the mother fuckers who do this sort of thing actually be be handed a sentence that is representative of the crimes they have committed? (IMO death by rack and quartering would not be adequate, but hey, we live in a civilized world with justice systems designed to be fair and all) An adult who cannot control themselves and KNOWINGLY beats an infant into a brain damage stupor DOES NOT DESERVE TO SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY AGAIN. Not until he is too old to be a threat anymore...if then even. I wish the cunt would have the balls to pick on someone who can fight back...I would happily fuck his day up for him. (See American History X - bite the curb....)

All ranting aside...and yes there is a bit there...

What can we do? It seems the justice system is tied and it seems the politicians and government are not willing to do what it takes to deal with these people and to educate the people in these communities.

[White trash]

Makes ya sick don't it?

[Brett]

Makes ya sick don't it?

Makes me incredibly angry and frustrated. Also makes me feel powerless to help...however I refuse to accept this, there must be something that even one person can do to change this.

[Paul in NZ]

Basically I agree with you except I'd consider capital punishment to be waaay more cost effective. It certainly 'breaks the cycle'.. but.....

Sadly its bigger than that. There is a huge problem with these disfunctional people. (although the breeding function appears to be 'on' all the bloody time. The issues are nearly always multilayered and complex and to be fair the picture you have painted with the first post might no be the whole story or how it happened.

Regadless of that though I say don't stop at child abuse. These violent stupid fucks need to be culled and seperated to stop the pollution spreading through productive society. Damned if I know how but the cycle has to stop.

[imdying]

Meh, doesn't bother me in the slightest.

You let people who, like it or not, aren't as developed as even the majority, breed as much as they bloody well like, whether they can support such breeding or not.

Then you try to apply the majorities moral values to this basically sub human under class.

Then you bitch when apes act like apes.

Finally, when I suggest that perhaps they should be subjected to culling or compulsory sterilisation at the very least, you look at me like I'm the monster.

Society can't have it both ways. Until they accept that, the unfortunate bottom of the barrel scrapings that society allow to exist, will keep on killing their kids with regularity. I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

[Brett]

Basically I agree with you except I'd consider capital punishment to be waaay more cost effective. It certainly 'breaks the cycle'.. but.....

Sadly its bigger than that. There is a huge problem with these disfunctional people. (although the breeding function appears to be 'on' all the bloody time. The issues are nearly always multilayered and complex and to be fair the picture you have painted with the first post might no be the whole story or how it happened.

Regadless of that though I say don't stop at child abuse. These violent stupid fucks need to be culled and seperated to stop the pollution spreading through productive society. Damned if I know how but the cycle has to stop.

No, you are absolutely correct. My first post and the NZ Herald article are only the tip of the iceberg with regards to the underlying social issues. This is simply the tangible evidence of a myriad of issues and a whole lot of social issues that have not been addressed.
The issues are slowly being rooted deeper and deeper in society and in peoples behaviour. You used the perfect word..."dysfunction" because these people are completely and utterly dysfunctional, and the environments that they grow up in are completely dysfunctional. We are facing individuals that have been raised dysfunctionally from birth in toxic environments. If this is allowed to continue, then the social decline will only continue and grow.

That is part of my frustration, the issues around this are getting massive. There is no silver bullet. How do you fix the family unit and make it a functional place with love and where respect, hard work and discipline is taught when you can't even connect properly with the adults who run these households because of their lazyness, mental issues, drug issues and general fucked up outlooks on life.
If only one could remove the children from these environments and break the cycle, but alas, they are likely to end the products of their own environments (if not worse) and pass this legacy onto their own kids.

[Brett]

Meh, doesn't bother me in the slightest.

You let people who, like it or not, aren't as developed as even the majority, breed as much as they bloody well like, whether they can support such breeding or not.

Then you try to apply the majorities moral values to this basically sub human under class.

Then you bitch when apes act like apes.

Finally, when I suggest that perhaps they should be subjected to culling or compulsory sterilisation at the very least, you look at me like I'm the monster.

Society can't have it both ways. Until they accept that, the unfortunate bottom of the barrel scrapings that society allow to exist, will keep on killing their kids with regularity. I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

I get where you're coming from and I agree in part. The thing for me is simply that a baby born into this world does not NEED to end up like its parents. In part we (citizens) enable it by not taking a firmer stance on these fuck knuckles and insisting that basic social morals and imperatives be followed...ie...the mother of this child should be sterilized since she could not care for her kid adequately. The man who killed the kid should be set adrift in the ocean in a small boat with nothing but a bottle of water and a fishing line.

[BoristheBiter]

54 witnesses, 2 week trial, WTF???

ten minute's that's all that's needed.

[imdying]

The thing for me is simply that a baby born into this world does not NEED to end up like its parents.

The problem is, that's like asking me to launch a rocket to Jupiter. I have some vague understand of the concepts around that, but I'm just not equipped with the mental facilities to ever come close to solving the problem.

Ok, how about flipping it over... given that these people will never be able to operate inside accepted societies norms, why not put them somewhere like a reserve where they can govern and live within their own moral compasses? The only question is how to determine who fits their, and who can make it in regular society?

[nodrog:Me]

The problem is, that's like asking me to launch a rocket to Jupiter. I have some vague understand of the concepts around that, but I'm just not equipped with the mental facilities to ever come close to solving the problem.

What if the rocket was full of child bashing coconuts, surely you would give it a go then? And hey, if it blows up on the launchpad, oh well, try again next week.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Banning the smacking of children will help.

[imdying]

What if the rocket was full of child bashing coconuts, surely you would give it a go then? And hey, if it blows up on the launchpad, oh well, try again next week.

Sure, if I got community service for running a red light or whatever, I'd give it a go

[blue rider]

Meh, doesn't bother me in the slightest.

You let people who, like it or not, aren't as developed as even the majority, inseminate as much as they bloody well like, whether they can support such spreading of sperm or not.

Then you try to apply the majorities moral values to this basically sub human under class.

Then you bitch when apes act like apes.

Finally, when I suggest that perhaps they should be subjected to culling or compulsory castration at the very least, you look at me like I'm the monster.

Society can't have it both ways. Until they accept that, the unfortunate bottom of the barrel scrapings that society allow to exist, will keep on killing their kids with regularity. I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

fixed your post to better reflect the gender of the abuser in the quoted article

[imdying]

fixed your post to better reflect the gender of the abuser in the quoted article

Interesting point to pick

It was about five days later that Ms Taylor took her son to hospital. Mr Shaw said she was prevented from going earlier by Hemana.

Personally I see blood on her hands too, but YMMV... I would wager $100 that 95% of people in their neighbourhood owns a higher spec cellphone than I do. She could have summoned free help at any stage.

Perhaps if they were allowed to self govern in the manner that they see fit, in communities no larger than one where everyone basically knows everyone else, they could sort these people out in their own way? I could be wrong, but someone on here will likely as not have some info on child abuse rates in tribal societies.

[Katman]

On Thursday or Fridays news there was an article on the latest case of infanticide where the family are doing a Kahui and saying nothing.

Haven't seen the news since. Has there been any development?