What's involved in lowering foot pegs?

[tigertim20]

Well, the additional bikes wont be any more "powerful". They all have the same 150kw/tonne restriction. And some current 250cc and under bikes wont be allowed for learners any more (already too powerful). LAMS just levels the playing field to restricting learners to comparable bikes.

Yes, they can get a bigger bike, but if the bike has a heavier frame the engine will have to have less power output, to still meet the same 150 kw/tonne restriction. Or shall I say, a gutless 400.

So I don't see LAMs presenting that many different options. But yes, it does effectively allow some larger less powerful bikes.

performance is never accurately measured by a figure on a piece of paper.
nearly all the 600cc options will have a higher top speed, get to the speed limit faster, stop in a shorter distance, and probably be more comfortable than the 250cc options.

so on the same license you can have something similar to an SV650, or a cbr250. The choice between
A) a little cramped thing that needs 6k rpm just to leave the lights without stalling, is cramped to ride, has difficulty passing on the open road, and takes ages to get to the speed limit,
and
B) a full sized bike that a 6foot + person can ride comfortably, that can travel at the speed limit at low RPM, can over take on the open road without difficulty etc etc etc
IS going to clear cut for most people.

You say they fit the same 150kw/tonne bracket, but frankly thats the ONLY thing the bigger options will have in common. You probably dont need me to point out the disparity that will be highlighted in a heads up road comparison of the current 4T 250 options, and the bigger capacity options that will become available to learner riders.

[Tigadee]

We're going off-topic now but I just want to add a thought I had: If the 250ccs' prices drop once LAMs comes into effect, and the LAMs-approved larger-than-250cc bikes get snapped up and rise in prices, that means there will be a big void until more LAMs-approved big bikes get imported into the country or are sold by current owners in the country.

I've been looking at the LAMs-approved list and there don't seem to be very many of those models here in this country in the first place. And looking at suitable 400-600cc bikes, there don't seem to be a whole lot unless brand new and at stinking high prices.

So will the envisioned large drop of 250cc prices drag market prices for all bikes down or will the soaring above-250cc prices keep 250cc prices stable or only drop slightly?

Dealers certainly won't lend a helping hand as they want to keep prices same or even higher to maximise profit and minimise the impact on existing stock, won't they?

[tigertim20]

We're going off-topic now but I just want to add a thought I had: If the 250ccs' prices drop once LAMs comes into effect, and the LAMs-approved larger-than-250cc bikes get snapped up and rise in prices, that means there will be a big void until more LAMs-approved big bikes get imported into the country or are sold by current owners in the country.

I've been looking at the LAMs-approved list and there don't seem to be very many of those models here in this country in the first place. And looking at suitable 400-600cc bikes, there don't seem to be a whole lot unless brand new and at stinking high prices.

So will the envisioned large drop of 250cc prices drag market prices for all bikes down or will the soaring above-250cc prices keep 250cc prices stable or only drop slightly?

Dealers certainly won't lend a helping hand as they want to keep prices same or even higher to maximise profit and minimise the impact on existing stock, won't they?

I think youll find a few more people will import the bikes themselves if it comes to that.
Having said that, if (when) the demand for those bikes rise, someone will start to import bikes to satisfy the demand if there's a dollar to be made.

[ducatilover]

We're going off-topic now but I just want to add a thought I had: If the 250ccs' prices drop once LAMs comes into effect, and the LAMs-approved larger-than-250cc bikes get snapped up and rise in prices, that means there will be a big void until more LAMs-approved big bikes get imported into the country or are sold by current owners in the country.

I've been looking at the LAMs-approved list and there don't seem to be very many of those models here in this country in the first place. And looking at suitable 400-600cc bikes, there don't seem to be a whole lot unless brand new and at stinking high prices.

So will the envisioned large drop of 250cc prices drag market prices for all bikes down or will the soaring above-250cc prices keep 250cc prices stable or only drop slightly?

Dealers certainly won't lend a helping hand as they want to keep prices same or even higher to maximise profit and minimise the impact on existing stock, won't they?

You can get the majority of the LAMS bikes here now, but, when LAMS comes in, someone approved will be fitting restrictor kits to the bikes (that's how it should be done)

The Hyosung 650 models will sell like mad and are currently very cheap second hand.
The SV400/650 range will also be popular, another decent bike for CBR250RR money.