Rear brake use?

**CHOPPA** · 24th November 2011, 13:24

I disconnect my rear brake light switch so it doesnt look like im a noob riding around with my brakes on haha

**imdying** · 24th November 2011, 13:54

Originally Posted by CHOPPA

You could fly there and back, get accommodation, rental car, hire bike and superbike school for $1000.... Not bad, prob the same as the excess when you throw away your bike listening to peoples opinions plus it would be a great experience...

Do you think that the best course of action for somebody who is a poor student, inexperienced, and rides a 250, to travel 1000km at the drop of a hat, only to arrive at a very expensive course fatigued?

I fail to see how your suggestion is applicable in this instance.

**Big Dave** · 24th November 2011, 14:59

Originally Posted by CHOPPA

There is a whole heap of opinions on this thread.

You're so polite!

**baffa** · 24th November 2011, 15:30

I should add,

I also brake a fair amount on the rear brake when approaching a corner at speed, simply because if you are rev matching as you change down through the gears, it's trickier to consistantly use the front lever whilst you're blipping the throttle.

So I tend to start braking with both, release the front brake, blip throttle as I change from say 4th to 3rd or 2nd, then use front brakes as necessary before diving through the corner.

I can hold the lever whilst blipping the throttle in order to brake later and still rev match, but it's a little choppy.

**Drew** · 24th November 2011, 15:41

Originally Posted by baffa

I should add,

I also brake a fair amount on the rear brake when approaching a corner at speed, simply because if you are rev matching as you change down through the gears, it's trickier to consistantly use the front lever whilst you're blipping the throttle.

So I tend to start braking with both, release the front brake, blip throttle as I change from say 4th to 3rd or 2nd, then use front brakes as necessary before diving through the corner.

I can hold the lever whilst blipping the throttle in order to brake later and still rev match, but it's a little choppy.

I've never really had much issue with what you're saying, but I know guys that have. I don't think it really matches the revs that closely anyway when you're punting, but it is quite important on a twin, my advice would be that on the track to turn your idle up, and on the road just hold the throttle on a constant little bit as ya shift down.

**CHOPPA** · 24th November 2011, 16:56

Originally Posted by imdying

Do you think that the best course of action for somebody who is a poor student, inexperienced, and rides a 250, to travel 1000km at the drop of a hat, only to arrive at a very expensive course fatigued?

I fail to see how your suggestion is applicable in this instance.

I put accommodation in there so why would he be fatigued?

Im offering the best advice here, if he is not in the position to do that, then it is his decision.

To me taking random people advice about such an issue imo is downright dangerous.

I think every single rider should do the CSS training as a government funded scheme. If would save a lot of lives.

**CHOPPA** · 24th November 2011, 17:11

Originally Posted by baffa

I should add,

I also brake a fair amount on the rear brake when approaching a corner at speed, simply because if you are rev matching as you change down through the gears, it's trickier to consistantly use the front lever whilst you're blipping the throttle.

So I tend to start braking with both, release the front brake, blip throttle as I change from say 4th to 3rd or 2nd, then use front brakes as necessary before diving through the corner.

I can hold the lever whilst blipping the throttle in order to brake later and still rev match, but it's a little choppy.

Practice practice practice......

I used to blip the throttle even on the track but now I find I dont have time to blip between 3-4 gear changes.

Slipper clutches are great you can dump the clutch but the twin I ride you have to use the clutch lever as your slipper.

One day you guys that are used to the rear brake method into corners to slow you down are going to pinch the rear brake its gonna lock up and even if you let it off its gonna feel like the back of the bike is on ice and you cant control it

**imdying** · 24th November 2011, 17:49

Originally Posted by CHOPPA

I put accommodation in there so why would he be fatigued?

Im offering the best advice here, if he is not in the position to do that, then it is his decision.

To me taking random people advice about such an issue imo is downright dangerous.

I think every single rider should do the CSS training as a government funded scheme. If would save a lot of lives.

That would be awesome for sure, meanwhile he we are.

**GrayWolf** · 25th November 2011, 00:04

Quotes from an 'advanced' riding technique book available in NZ

Rear brake...
as a general rule, use both brakes every time you slow down or stop........ Apply both brakes at the same time. While it is theoreticaly correct to apply the front brake first, because of the control layout, if thr rider goes for both brakes at the same time, he will apply the brakes in the correct sequence.

countersteering
Countersteering by itself is the method of lean that is probably the most versatile of all methods! When used very very subtly it can give a slow, smooth lean. Subtle use gives a very accurate change of direction. When used firmly it gives a hard and fast change of direction that is much less accurate..

That I hope will clear up the arguements that the back brake and countersteering are unnescessary or irrelevant.

**onearmedbandit** · 25th November 2011, 01:58

Originally Posted by GrayWolf

Quotes from an 'advanced' riding technique book available in NZ

countersteering
Countersteering by itself is the method of lean that is probably the most versatile of all methods!

Here we go...

**Drew** · 25th November 2011, 07:54

Originally Posted by GrayWolf

Quotes from an 'advanced' riding technique book available in NZ

Rear brake...
as a general rule, use both brakes every time you slow down or stop........ Apply both brakes at the same time. While it is theoreticaly correct to apply the front brake first, because of the control layout, if thr rider goes for both brakes at the same time, he will apply the brakes in the correct sequence.

countersteering
Countersteering by itself is the method of lean that is probably the most versatile of all methods! When used very very subtly it can give a slow, smooth lean. Subtle use gives a very accurate change of direction. When used firmly it gives a hard and fast change of direction that is much less accurate..

That I hope will clear up the arguements that the back brake and countersteering are unnescessary or irrelevant.

Why, because it is written in a book that you have not given reference too?

Does anyone on this site even fuckin ride a bike? Go out, and work out for yourself what is BEST FOR YOU and your style!

**pritch** · 25th November 2011, 17:03

Originally Posted by sil3nt

MotoGP riders use it. Must be useful for something.

Some more than others. When both Hayden and Pedrosa were on Hondas, Hayden ran a bigger disc on the back 'cause he used it more.

I think it was Mick Doohan had a thumb lever fitted to his bike to operate the rear brake. He seemed to think the back brake was important.

**pritch** · 25th November 2011, 17:05

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

YYou'll notice guys like Nicky Hayden have much larger rear discs than the Pedrosa's of the world,

Bugga! You beat me...

**Crasherfromwayback** · 25th November 2011, 17:17

Originally Posted by pritch

Bugga! You beat me...

Yeah...I even put pics up of both the bikes back then for the peeps!

**Berries** · 26th November 2011, 06:21

Not my opinion, but what I do -

Back brake going down my drive, which is gravel or slippery clay depending on how much rain there has been.
Back brake if stopped at traffic lights on a slope.
Back brake if icy.
That's it.

Originally Posted by Drew

Does anyone on this site even fuckin ride a bike?

It surprises me how few do.