Rear brake use?

[Drew]

nah struck a nerve? you need to be a lot better at shit slinging than this feeble attempt. If you cannot converse or enter an arguement wiothout resorting to anglo saxon and purile outpouring? You arent worth the time.. Oh apart from the FACT that the Police roadcraft book I mentioned IS accepted worldwide as one of the formost knowledge bases of motorcycling, however as you are obviously superior to them? I rest my case....

When did I say I was better than them. You're blowing this out of proportion. I'm not saying don't listen to others or read the books, I'm saying that what they say isn't gospel. And different shit works for everyone.

If I roll into a turn on an inferior bike with inferior tyres, does that mean that you on better gear can chase me through knowing you can't crash if I don't crash? No, because rider input is different, and you might not be subtle enough on the controls.

Haha, yep the above dribble reminds me of a brief discussion I had with one of my fellow biking colleagues. I mentioned I was going to attend some Prorider courses. His response: "What the hell for? You've been riding for years...." To which I responded: "Quite simple really, I wanna be the best rider I can be. And anyway, you've been driving trucks for 20 odd years too and yet you still can't do that properly."

The best place to learn is at a course, preferably on a track or other place where no traffic is around. The next best thing might be to take on board the advice from a longtime biker whose opinion you respect....obviously this forum is such a place at times, yet at others it's overrun by Richard Cranium impersonators.

As above.

[imdying]

I'm saying that what they say isn't gospel.

You're either thick, or have a pretty low opinion of everyone else on the planet, which admittedly I can sympathise with. What makes you think people reading anything on the internet, or Kiwibiker no less, are going to take everything they read as gospel?

[caspernz]

You're either thick, or have a pretty low opinion of everyone else on the planet, which admittedly I can sympathise with. What makes you think people reading anything on the internet, or Kiwibiker no less, are going to take everything they read as gospel?

Haha, yep it's all there between the lines....

[bluninja]

So who teaches the teachers? How did the people writing books learn without someone to tell them?

I am part way through watching Twist of the wrist 2 on DVD (I can only take so much American cheese at once), and it is impressive to see the video actions going with the words. Keith's 'cheesy' message seems to be about balancing the bike with throttle control; no mention of rear brake use so far.

[quickbuck]

Haha, yep the above dribble reminds me of a brief discussion I had with one of my fellow biking colleagues. I mentioned I was going to attend some Prorider courses. His response: "What the hell for? You've been riding for years...." To which I responded: "Quite simple really, I wanna be the best rider I can be. And anyway, you've been driving trucks for 20 odd years too and yet you still can't do that properly."

Classic!......
(Must spread Rep etc. etc.)

[Drew]

You're either thick, or have a pretty low opinion of everyone else on the planet, which admittedly I can sympathise with. What makes you think people reading anything on the internet, or Kiwibiker no less, are going to take everything they read as gospel?

I'd like to think I'm neither thick, or have a particularly low opinion of people. I never said he treats everything he reads as gospel, I said he seems to think the books he quoted are. Due to his emphatic belief in what they say, and how irritated he seemed to get when I questioned him and them.

Also, does the book that dribbles about counter steering, give any other method of steering Grey Wolf? Your quote says counter steering can be used sometimes when turning a bike.

[imdying]

I'd like to think I'm neither thick, or have a particularly low opinion of people. I never said he treats everything he reads as gospel, I said he seems to think the books he quoted are. Due to his emphatic belief in what they say, and how irritated he seemed to get when I questioned him and them.

Sorry, that was a comprehension fault on my own behalf; I had assumed that 'they' meant you were commenting on the giving of help, through mediums such as books, in general, rather than that specific you've just clarified.

I think have to read 'active' or 'passive' into discussions about counter steering, which is a trap that we (those that know the difference) somewhat build for newbies unwittingly.

[baffa]

Not my opinion, but what I do -

Back brake going down my drive, which is gravel or slippery clay depending on how much rain there has been.
Back brake if stopped at traffic lights on a slope.
Back brake if icy.
That's it.


It surprises me how few do.

See it's funny, I avoid the rear brakes if I'm on a slippery surface, since it locks so much quicker.
In saying that, riding a mate's 600cc with a bigger stickier rear tyre, I found I could brake heavier with the rear, so I guess it depends on the bike as well.

[oOGixxerOo]

you put 10% on the rear brake and 90% on the front...use them at the same time...

[sinfull]

you put 10% on the rear brake and 90% on the front...use them at the same time...

Phew !!! Thank god you showed up to sort that argument out !!

[quickbuck]

Phew !!! Thank god you showed up to sort that argument out !!

Yup, first post after 15 months of lurking...At least it is pretty much on the money with regard to weight distribution of a bike under full braking.

[bluninja]

you put 10% on the rear brake and 90% on the front...use them at the same time...

10% of what on the rear brake and 90% of what on the front?

braking force on each wheel?
pressure applied to each brake? In that case what happens if you have dual discs at the front?
Pressure on the levers?

Does this apply regardless of the geometry of the bike?

[slowpoke]

Rear brake? Is that in the lil' glass box that's stamped with "break glass in case of emergency"? I haven't checked but I think it's still in there......

[caspernz]

Classic!......
(Must spread Rep etc. etc.)

Yes Aaron, I have to admit I had this reply ready to go as I was expecting this sort of comment.

To give you an idea on his driving trucks in what he perceives the right way....he uses only the trailer brake (hand control) to do check braking downhill....whereas the correct method is a brief fairly hard application of the service brake (footbrake) which brings all brakes on at the same time. Go figure.

[Fast Eddie]

If you're using the front hard enough on a sports bike, your rear wheel is gonna be basically off the ground, and you won't be getting 25% extra from it.

BINGO ^

For a sports bike - You can do all your hard braking on the front. The emergency stop should even have the clutch pulled in because the drag of the engine/drive engaged is supposed to prevent you from slowing down as quickly as you could free wheeling and hard on the front.

Don't lock up the rear, the bikes stability comes from that gyro effect right? Better to spin it

I use the rear alot but in a variety of ways, like a traction control coming out of corners. or doing u turns or slow round abouts/slow tight hairpins sorta have the gas on but drag the rear brake and its stops slacking around on and off throttle and wobbling round.

Im sure cruisers with their big fat ass use their rear in a different way and offroad etc dif