Congratulations 48%

[avgas]

We all know how Labour likes a good election bribe that is unsustainable.

I recall people voting for National on the bribe of a tax cut. Did it happen? (genuine question - my accounts seem more empty than usual)
Many moons ago I voted Greens into my local area of BOP. They were going to do great things with the environment.

Nek minit you can't smack your kids.

Nek minit Rena.

When I voted National they were going to fix the economy.

Nek minit budget blowouts

When I voted labour they were going to help the working man.

Nek minit tax increases, and money for dancers.




Turns out my vote is dangerous. So I haven't trusted Red, Blue or Green since. Give em an inch and they take your arm off.

[flyingcrocodile46]

holy fuck. I completely forgot to cry over this.

Damn! My tears might have made some difference.

Thank dog there are so many cry babies out there who will keep the river flowing for the rest of us. What on earth would we do without those brave souls

[mashman]

It's because the services they cut are not the ones they should be cutting.
We all know how Labour likes a good election bribe that is unsustainable.
It's actually quite easy but most won't like or do what is necessary as they are full of self worth and entitlement.

Are you saying that the govt don't know what they're doing? Now about that us agreeing thing, heh.
Do we? Reckon that's unique to Labour? Do they break election promises too?
that's a peach given the reasons you put up against "my" society.

You mean the I didn't / dont want to vote ... but I still want my voice heard option ...

How many of those that didn't vote have spoken at ANY time with their elected MP in the LAST three years ... on the subject of "other options" or even matters that affect them. AND/OR ... changes that they are looking/hoping for. ????

Or spoken with candidates from other parties ... on the same subject ... ???

Nope... why the opposition to having "No Confidence" on the paper? A vote is a vote surely? At least you'd then have a true figure for those who just don't want to vote. It doesn't strike you as unusual that there isn't an option of "No Confidence"?

, I wasn't impressed with my first encounter.

How many voters have spoken with any elected MP in the last 3 years? etc...

Your powers are weak old man.

[FJRider]

Nope. But it happened anyway.

But what about past votes? Is there any you have regretted? Is there any you were disappointed in?
Did they make a difference?

All in all .. The elected goverments of NZ have looked after me. I would not say they have done all I would have liked ... nor will I say they SHOULD have done more to suit my hopes and needs. I'M not that self centered ...

But I can say ... I have enjoyed a better standard of living, and enjoyed a better standard of care ... than can be expected in countries elsewhere ... (and I have seen this for myself)

Mine did, not all for the better either. Which is why I can kinda see where people are coming from with the lack of enthusiasm.
Same shit different day, same shit different government for them.

Even under the MMP system ... it is still a majority rules system. Whatever party is in goverment.

ONE vote does count ... if thousands vote the same way. And you may never know if others feel the same way as you ... if YOU don't vote.

I have stated in earlier posts that an incentive to vote is needed ... perhaps the "need to change" IS that incentive ...

Not sure on how to fix that. But I have noticed that world wide people are becoming less complacent. As mentioned earlier not interested "Waiting to see if it blows up".
Nothing good can come from that. Today 25% of people don't vote, tomorrow they could stop working, 20 years from now they could be lighting molotovs on the street.
Whats the problem in fixing it now?

The MAJORITY of the voters THIS year ... voted their party vote for National.

National now has the mandate they were seeking ... without the reliance of the minor party vote on/for major issues ...

Had the 25 % of registered voters that didn't vote ... did vote for a party OTHER than National ... Would you feel ANY different about the result... ???

Voting is about electing the party that BEST suits your needs ... not expecting a party that will ONLY suit/serve your needs ... to the last degree ...

[FJRider]

Nope... why the opposition to having "No Confidence" on the paper? A vote is a vote surely? At least you'd then have a true figure for those who just don't want to vote. It doesn't strike you as unusual that there isn't an option of "No Confidence"?



Your powers are weak old man.

What is this "No confidence" thing ... ???

Is it a no confidence (vote option) in a Party, or Goverment ... or an Election result that YOU like ... ???

[mashman]

What is this "No confidence" thing ... ???

Is it a no confidence (vote option) in a Party, or Goverment ... or an Election result that YOU like ... ???

I'm sure it would be translated by different people to mean different things... my 2c, it'll be no confidence in any party having policy that meets an individuals "requirements". If it was in the govt or election result, it'd be a bit like putting the cart before the horse.

[Pussy]

The democratic majority of NZ voters got what they wanted on election day. Result!

[FJRider]

I'm sure it would be translated by different people to mean different things...

Is that you Winston ... ???

my 2c, it'll be no confidence in any party having policy that meets an individuals "requirements".

Majority RULES ... remember ... Is the concept of that beyond you ... ??

Start a ME FIRST political party ... oops forgot Winnie did that ... FAIL (to get the MAJORITY vote)

If it was in the govt or election result, it'd be a bit like putting the cart before the horse.

I believe we have enough horses(ass's) on site ... IN GOVERMENT TOO ... ???

Mind you ... If you DID start a political party ... as YOU would WANT it ... would it also suit EVERYBODY you know ... ??? (or at least a majority of those you know)

[FROSTY:Me]

Hey guys maybee someone can explain to me why most of us have to belt tighten and budget. Work harder and smarter. Yet in a population of only 4 million we need 121 pollies and all their hangers on? --surely the gubbiment shout lead by example

[FJRider]

Hey guys maybee someone can explain to me why most of us have to belt tighten and budget. Work harder and smarter. Yet in a population of only 4 million we need 121 pollies and all their hangers on? --surely the gubbiment shout lead by example

But they are leading by example ... didn't they recently get a pay rise .... ??? So they must think they've earned it.

They are highly qualified Pollies by the way ... (and where ELSE could they get a well paying job )

[mashman]

Is that you Winston ... ???

That means absolutely nothing to me... until there's a definition provided for "No confidence" it will mean different things to different people, you listed 3 different meanings yourself .

Majority RULES ... remember ... Is the concept of that beyond you ... ??

Start a ME FIRST political party ... oops forgot Winnie did that ... FAIL (to get the MAJORITY vote)

Nope, quite the opposite... which is why I'd like to see the "No Confidence" results of people that turned up to vote. (perhaps someone would bo a Boris and create a No Confidence party )

??? if the parties are indicative of their leadership I can see why there was such a high non-voter turn out.

I believe we have enough horses(ass's) on site ... IN GOVERMENT TOO ... ??? :roll-eyes:

Mind you ... If you DID start a political party ... as YOU would WANT it ... would it also suit EVERYBODY you know ... ??? (or at least a majority of those you know)

heh, ner ner ner ner ner, takes one to know one... gawd I sound like....... you Shame the govt are supposed to be the best of the best, beyond reproach, squeaky clean etc...

I have spoken with a few people about "my" party, oddly enough, but it's not my sole topic of conversation with people and it is a HUGE conversation when the box is opened. Although some love the idea, they still can't get their heads around the idea of there being no money. Citing lack of motivation, lack of rewards, tokens for trade, human nature (that always puts a smile on my face) and not much else really... plus they generally want to change the subject when they hit a wall in defence of their society (another chucklefest)... has me roaring with laughter as they enter the denial zone, "oh it just can't be done". The majority understand the concept after a relatively short priod of time, if they haven't already thought of it themselves... I'm pleasantly surprised at how many have already thought about it and accept that it makes sense (and I agree with them that it wouldn't be perfect etc...). When given the option between "my" society and the current one, nearly all, 99% (snigger, that'll never grow old... for me anyway) would rather live in "my" society. It would seem that the human being in them trumps what some refer to as the driving characteristics of human nature. As a side note, women have been harder to "convince". My wife was a nightmare to "convince", but she gets it and would happily live there.

I don't want to be part of political party as politics get in the way, I'd much prefer a cooperative.

[BoristheBiter]

I recall people voting for National on the bribe of a tax cut. Did it happen? (genuine question - my accounts seem more empty than usual)
Many moons ago I voted Greens into my local area of BOP. They were going to do great things with the environment.

Nek minit you can't smack your kids.

Nek minit Rena.

When I voted National they were going to fix the economy.

Nek minit budget blowouts

When I voted labour they were going to help the working man.

Nek minit tax increases, and money for dancers.


Turns out my vote is dangerous. So I haven't trusted Red, Blue or Green since. Give em an inch and they take your arm off.

See that's what makes you, and quite a lot more, stupid voters. The ones that are targeted when they release these stupid, blatant vote bribes.
The ones that flip-flop every election in the hopes that YOU will get something better.
I have voted National every election because I like what the party is about, not what they have promised the flip-floppers this term, not who can over talk someone in a bollocks debate.

Are you saying that the govt don't know what they're doing? Now about that us agreeing thing, heh.
Do we? Reckon that's unique to Labour? Do they break election promises too?
that's a peach given the reasons you put up against "my" society.

I am saying that if they did what was truly needed they would be voted out in a heart beat. To many are stupidly swayed by vote bribes.

[FJRider]

... until there's a definition provided for "No confidence" it will mean different things to different people, you listed 3 different meanings yourself .

You only gave your selfish ME FIRST "definition" ...

.... which is why I'd like to see the "No Confidence" results of people that turned up to vote. (perhaps someone would bo a Boris and create a No Confidence party )

As I understand it ... for some reason ... ... only VALID votes are counted ...

I would struggle to have confidence in a "No Confidence" party ...

??? if the parties are indicative of their leadership I can see why there was such a high non-voter turn out.

But there WAS a high result in vote numbers ... for ONE political party ...

Shame the govt are supposed to be the best of the best, beyond reproach, squeaky clean etc...

They are only HUMAN ... apparently ...

I don't want to be part of political party as politics get in the way, I'd much prefer a cooperative.

Yes ... much better to let others do it all ... eh ... ???

Cooperatives work ... but only if EVERYBODY is cooperative ...

And I think would clash with your personal "Me First" policy thoughts ...

[Winston001]

Unregistered voters and non-voters are of interest to political scientists and there have been numerous studies. Unfortunately the very nature of the beast (disinterest in voting) makes such people difficult to find and question: they aren't interested in taking part in surveys either.

Political parties are not quite so interested. Focusing time, money, and effort on non-voters is risky compared with campaigning to persuade active voters. Its damned hard to get a person to vote if they really do not care or don't trust the "system".

There was a low voter turnout at this election. In a moderate democracy like NZ this tells us many people are satisfied with the status quo. In other words the non-voters do not think any radical changes are necessary so they don't bother.

We see high turnouts in times of trouble.

[FJRider]

Unregistered voters and non-voters are of interest to political scientists and there have been numerous studies. Unfortunately the very nature of the beast (disinterest in voting) makes such people difficult to find and question: they aren't interested in taking part in surveys either.

Political parties are not quite so interested. Focusing time, money, and effort on non-voters is risky compared with campaigning to persuade active voters. Its damned hard to get a person to vote if they really do not care or don't trust the "system".

There was a low voter turnout at this election. In a moderate democracy like NZ this tells us many people are satisfied with the status quo. In other words the non-voters do not think any radical changes are necessary so they don't bother.

We see high turnouts in times of trouble.

Considering the recent announcement of a grant for research on porn ... the study of non-voters may be a reasonable subject (money spinner) for an enterprising person to begin ...

I past years, attempts by some parties to boost registered numbers, and take them to the polling stations ... usually more a PR exercise ... result. Than more votes ... result for them.

Weather pays a big part in voter turnout ... (rain and numbers are down) but fine weather prevailed ...

I think the non-voters must just be happy with their lot ...