Kerry Dukic v Robert Taylor shoot off

**crazy man** · 13th December 2011, 18:26

two bikes the same Kerry Dukic with his ktec robert with his kss. winner has the best gear and tuner
now that would be cool !

**Latte** · 13th December 2011, 18:29

Originally Posted by crazy man

two bikes the same Kerry Dukic with his ktec robert with his kss. winner has the best gear and tuner
now that would be cool !

Looking at your Avatar, which one is on the left, Kerry or Robert?

**crazy man** · 13th December 2011, 18:45

Originally Posted by Latte

Looking at your Avatar, which one is on the left, Kerry or Robert?

good point maybe they are the brothers

on there

**Robert Taylor** · 13th December 2011, 19:41

Brand such as ( but not restricted to )K-Tech are an excellent and high quality product but are clearly not instantly 1 and 1/2 seconds per lap faster than other well setup brands, as is being rather optimistically espoused. If it was then EVERYONE in WSS600, WSBK AND MotoGP would be running it. Also British Superbike, where this year it was won by Ohlins, in the country of manufacture of K-Tech. In WSS600 the winning brand ( Yamaha ) were using Italian made BiTubo suspension. I personally know the guy that builds the motors for this team and his opinion was that the suspension was nothing spectacular, arguably most of their speed was from prodigious horespower.

Its as much about local backup and the ethic to do the hard yards and to invest to support product. Here in NZ the only top rider using this brand is John Ross, and he purchased off the longtime local distributor Norm Cobb at Suspension Tech. John is largely tuning this suspension himself as he cannot see a workable alternative that suits him best. If this all works out well for him and he puts in the time and effort then no-one would begrudge him reward for that!

Similarly WP is an excellent product and it was great to see both Ray Clee and Karl Morgan circulating at great pace during the first Tri Series round last weekend. Penske is also a very clever product but of course there is also either no local backup or marginal at best

As for any contest its clear that most of the top riders have spoken, and a number of those have this season come to us to improve on results that were poor and really shouldnt have been so. We didnt canvass these guys, we were approached.

In a future thread I will be rattling off about our new Roehrig shock and fork dyno that is state of the art. The only problem is whilst we have it installed we have had no time whatsoever to begin to use it and understand all of its capabilities. This serious investment is part of our committment to the NZ motorcycle suspension industry.

**Drew** · 13th December 2011, 19:51

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

Brand such as...blah blah blah.

You've missed the point here mate.

What the thread starter is after, is you set up a bike on your gear, and a rider goes out and punts it. Then Kerry has a crack with his gear on the same bike, and the same rider goes out and does his thing.

My submission to the cause, the loser stops peddling their brand.

**White trash** · 13th December 2011, 19:54

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

I personally know the guy that builds the motors for this team and his opinion was that the suspension was nothing spectacular, arguably most of their speed was from prodigious horespower.

Ask an engine builder where the secret to going fast is, he'll tell you it's his engines that won the championship, while I'm sure the BiTubo technicians involved with that team will paint an entirely different picture. In fact, I seem to remember an after market wheel importer here in NZ campaigning for a change to the rules so that everyone could use the magic wheels to instantly be a race winner.

**ecko_nzed** · 13th December 2011, 20:25

Novel idea, but waste of time. Finding a truly impartial rider would be hard, reproducing exactly the same conditions for each test, impossible. Results would be skewed by the rider.

It will always come down to rider feel and who you trust spending your money with.

**Mental Trousers** · 13th December 2011, 20:33

Originally Posted by Drew

You've missed the point here mate.

What the thread starter is after, is you set up a bike on your gear, and a rider goes out and punts it. Then Kerry has a crack with his gear on the same bike, and the same rider goes out and does his thing.

My submission to the cause, the loser stops peddling their brand.

What the thread starter is after is to poke sharp sticks at people and giggle at the outcome. I'm sure he's hoping for a shit fight that even the Brothers Mair would be proud of.

However, I think all you'll get out of Robert is quality components ......... well set up suspension ......... bloody Labour/NZ First voters should be shot ......

**jellywrestler** · 13th December 2011, 20:58

Originally Posted by crazy man

two bikes the same Kerry Dukic with his ktec robert with his kss. winner has the best gear and tuner
now that would be cool !

I say we bring a big mat to manfeild and a couple of SUMO wrestling outfits for them
It would be funnier than a fight in church i reckon

**Berries** · 13th December 2011, 21:34

Originally Posted by Mental Trousers

However, I think all you'll get out of Robert is quality components ......... well set up suspension ......... bloody Labour/NZ First voters should be shot ......

Don't forget Thatcher.

**RobGassit** · 13th December 2011, 21:45

Last time I looked NZ was a free country. If you want to use a particular suspension setup, that's your choice, especially if you are spending your own money. Likewise tyre choice, if you don't choose to use what the champions use for whatever reason, doesn't devalue your decision. If we all rode the same bikes on the same tyres with the same suspension we would end up with the Suzuki cup or something similar. Pretty close to what we have now actually. Viva a difference! Slagging off anyone who chooses to use a different equation to answer the problem say's more about the slagee than the slagged off. One of these guy's is just gettin on with it. That's the Kiwi way I know.

**husaberg** · 13th December 2011, 21:54

Originally Posted by ecko_nzed

Novel idea, but waste of time. Finding a truly impartial rider would be hard,

Easy blindfold the rider.
if you were to put two blindfolds on the rider and it would be a .....er.....Double blind test

**Robert Taylor** · 13th December 2011, 22:10

Originally Posted by RobGassit

Last time I looked NZ was a free country. If you want to use a particular suspension setup, that's your choice, especially if you are spending your own money. Likewise tyre choice, if you don't choose to use what the champions use for whatever reason, doesn't devalue your decision. If we all rode the same bikes on the same tyres with the same suspension we would end up with the Suzuki cup or something similar. Pretty close to what we have now actually. Viva a difference! Slagging off anyone who chooses to use a different equation to answer the problem say's more about the slagee than the slagged off. One of these guy's is just gettin on with it. That's the Kiwi way I know.

I think my post illustrated that very fairly. And yes Id be happy for a subjective test with the K-Tech distributor, Norm Cobb.

**RobGassit** · 13th December 2011, 22:16

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

I think my post illustrated that very fairly. And yes Id be happy for a subjective test with the K-Tech distributor, Norm Cobb.

Interesting that you can't even bring yourself to actually name the other guy this thread is about.
You have a great product and the riders who use your service are quite often winning. Where's the beef? Did he back over your dog in the pits or something?