Kerry Dukic v Robert Taylor shoot off

[Shaun]

Ok, I may have missed something here.... Has CKT now been rebranded KSS or is KSS a new company?

Same company NEW name, as there sister company ( CROWN KIWI) name was very simillar

[ducatilover]

Is that the nipple bar?I went there once and there aint no tits.

Plenty of tits there, I had a mate who worked there

[crazy man]

My 2c.
I would like to see both compared to a crappy standard susp setup (even Showa), then a slightly more expensive brand (Konis etc).

I would love to see a hardtail in the test.........but even I know that is going too far.

l will be the stig with the stock bike the other 2 with there crap on it. l wonder how meany times l could lap them in a 10 lap race lol and lm just a back marker now days

[crazy man]

Same company NEW name, as there sister company ( CROWN KIWI) name was very simillar

who has the old name now

[Robert Taylor]

who has the old name now

You can check who registered CKT domain name and ask him! It says a lot

[nodrog:Me]

You can check who registered CKT domain name and ask him! It says a lot

this one?

http://whois.asiaregistry.com/displa...zone=ckt.co.nz

[Ivan]

so do you still have the buisiness name ckt so it cant be used to claim one company as being another by using ckt's credible name and someone else using it to "claim as themselves"

[Drew]

That's it 100% in a nutshell!

If the rider is confident in whatever is under him then he will swear by the brand and the technician. It doesn't really matter (well it does but for the point I'm making it doesn't) the science behind the suspension, it's ALL about how the rider feels about it. This responsibility is not only on the technician to get right either, the rider needs to feel confident in the feedback he is giving...in other words, if I describe a feeling I am getting from the bikes handling and the technician asks more question surrounding that feeling, I am more confident in the resulting changes made, possibly making me 'think' the bike is actually better than it is...commonly called the 'placebo effect.' This is a very real thing and shouldn't be underestimated.

This is one thing I have found Robert Taylor to be very good at, giving confidence to me by listening to my comments and making any adjustments he sees as necessary. It worked extremely well in the last couple of rounds of the 2010 Nats with Chris Suchich being the 'in-between man' for me and Robert.

Robert is very professional in the manner in which he deals with the grey matter between the ears of racers, that is why I have decided to use his services this year...it works for me.

A rider who can actually FEEL the differences being made and pushing harder because of it though, needs the best set up under him. Your placebo effect does not necessarily equal faster lap times, where more traction and feel does.

Different strokes for different folks and all that. What suits one rider won't suit even his teammate and it's all about rider confidence to push as hard as he can.

Ohlins is one of the best brands around but another rider may prefer another brand if it is set up to suit his personal riding style.

In the end it's so close that individual set up is more important than what brand of suspension you are using. If the K-tech guy sets his up better than the Ohlin's guy for a particular rider, that rider may well decide K-tech is better than Ohlins.

Craig Shirriffs commented that in race two on Sat. he felt a lack of confidence after being very comfortable in race one. What was the difference between races? He was still running the same suspension yet he said the bike felt different.

The set up is the ONLY thing that matters to how a bike rides. What gear you have dictates the range of adjustment, and the consistency of performance. What tuner you have dictates how said adjustments are utilized.

[Str8 Jacket]

Ha! He is going to start his own 'Porky Pig' website!

[Biggles08]

A rider who can actually FEEL the differences being made and pushing harder because of it though, needs the best set up under him. Your placebo effect does not necessarily equal faster lap times, where more traction and feel does.

Absolutely agree, but the interpretation of that information AND the description by the rider is what I am talking about here...the rider is the uncommon denominator in the equation whereas the hardware is pure physics. This relationship between the rider and technition is I believe equally important in setting a bike up for that rider specifically for faster lap times.

[crazy man]

You can check who registered CKT domain name and ask him! It says a lot

l wondered why my forks and new rear shock came back with dukic on it ;-)

[Robert Taylor]

Different strokes for different folks and all that. What suits one rider won't suit even his teammate and it's all about rider confidence to push as hard as he can.

Ohlins is one of the best brands around but another rider may prefer another brand if it is set up to suit his personal riding style.

In the end it's so close that individual set up is more important than what brand of suspension you are using. If the K-tech guy sets his up better than the Ohlin's guy for a particular rider, that rider may well decide K-tech is better than Ohlins.

Craig Shirriffs commented that in race two on Sat. he felt a lack of confidence after being very comfortable in race one. What was the difference between races? He was still running the same suspension yet he said the bike felt different.

The biggest standout difference was a sizable difference in track temperature but not such that it should have had such an effect. We are deliberating about the causes and sensitivity is one of the issues that suspension tuners have to deal with.

As an aside and we are not blaming this as a cause as it would affect a lot of bikes.....the amount of rubber on that skidpan ( concrete pit surface ) can only be a negative with hot tyres picking up a degree of undesirable residue. That skidpan had been in full use with drifters only the Sunday before

[Robert Taylor]

I have an idea.
Get Robert to set up my bike.
I'll ride it for a year (assuming I don't flip it again.
Then deck it out with Kerry's gear and repeat.
I won't charge to help out.

It aint going to happen sorry, we have been engaged in plenty of comparisons over the years and dont need to keep proving it. That also comes at a real cost and in such a small market the cost to benefit ratio is much less agreeable than in huge markets. Moreover in business terms having Ohlins is a no brainer because they list so many suspension units for everyday roadbikes, cruisers, dirtbikes etc. They are by no means solely focused on the sideshow of road racing.
Its also interesting to note how many views this thread ( which is largely trivial ) has had in such a short time, personally I prefer threads that are largely informative and educational. And that is not said to invite stupid comments.

[Edbear]

A rider who can actually FEEL the differences being made and pushing harder because of it though, needs the best set up under him. Your placebo effect does not necessarily equal faster lap times, where more traction and feel does.


The set up is the ONLY thing that matters to how a bike rides. What gear you have dictates the range of adjustment, and the consistency of performance. What tuner you have dictates how said adjustments are utilized.

The biggest standout difference was a sizable difference in track temperature but not such that it should have had such an effect. We are deliberating about the causes and sensitivity is one of the issues that suspension tuners have to deal with.

As an aside and we are not blaming this as a cause as it would affect a lot of bikes.....the amount of rubber on that skidpan ( concrete pit surface ) can only be a negative with hot tyres picking up a degree of undesirable residue. That skidpan had been in full use with drifters only the Sunday before

I agree. While it is valuable to have top spec componentry, and that can make a huge difference, at the top level the differences are very subtley adjusted to the individual rider, hence why the technical expertise of the one setting the system up and the ability of the rider to provide good feedback is as vital or more so than the actual brand of componentry and that an individual rider can make one setup work for him while another would be slower on the same setup.

I was amazed at just how crucial tyres are and in particular getting them to wear consistently with changing track conditions. It could well have been debris on the tyres, but I would have thought it would have worn off by the time Craig came to a slippery end. His rear tyre, as I mentioned was billiard ball smooth on the left shoulder but scrubbed on the right. Marcus' rear tyre was chopping up on the right shoulder causing him to observe it was like riding on marbles but good on the left.

So while every little bit helps and having the best suspension set up is necessary and having the top spec componentry also helps, in the end it is down to the rider to get the best out of it and so much can go wrong that the fastest and best set up bike and rider may lose or come second due to the variables of tyre performance over the course of a race. Witness Stroudy's problem in race two, where he could have fought side by side with Robbie for the lead. He had the engine and suspension, not to mention the skill, to match anyone.

Observing the races, there was really nothing in it engine-wise between the top four or five but Nick ran off under brakes and Craig lay down. Andrew backed off a bit doing just enough to preserve second and Robbie just stormed around seemingly with pace unabated.

[ecko_nzed]

You can check who registered CKT domain name and ask him! It says a lot

Have you tried http://dnc.org.nz/story/drs-home

good for dealing with childish behaviour like that.

Confirms my suspicions as to why I would never do business with someone like that.