Speeding tickets. Why the angst?

[Ocean1]

It seems as though no matter what the conditions or what speed no one pulled up for speeding ever considers what they were doing was dangerous

Seems entirely reasonable, they wouldn't have been doing it if they thought it was likely to hurt.

And then; maybe they've got a slightly less black and white idea of what constitutes danger.

[Mad-V2]

This is ridiculous. You can take one small step, fall over, break your neck and die.
Should we ban walking.
People are stupid clumsy things, and will at some point do something to hurt themselves or someone else.
It doesn't matter how fast they were going, or the conditions, it just happens.
Most of the time it is a lapse in concentration that causes the accident and not the speed involved
And if a cop pulls you over for doing 105 on a quiet dry open road.....accept the ticket, call him a dickhead or tell him how ya feel about the ticket (since we know how much they love that) and carry on with ya life.
Otherwise....don't get caught
Trying to change every motorcyclists attitude when it comes to speeding is like trying to tell the whole country to never smoke weed, people will still smoke it.

[LBD]

It seems as though no matter what the conditions or what speed no one pulled up for speeding ever considers what they were doing was dangerous

And I think it is that difference of opinion between you and the officer that creates the angst... worse still is even if he agrees it was not dangerous, but still books you anyway...and they wonder why they are losing respect!

[scumdog]

And I think it is that difference of opinion between you and the officer that creates the angst... worse still is even if he agrees it was not dangerous, but still books you anyway...and they wonder why they are losing respect!

Wow, I never knew I had any respect to lose!!

Ah well, who cares...

[Ocean1]

it just happens.

It's not as complicated as some would have it, but that's a tad too simple.

Best model I've seen is a variant of this, common in the aviation and health industries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/codeq/risk/docs/uva.pdf

So, if you want to survive learn how to move the cheese. Just one slice will do.

[FJRider]

... To expand on that 'accidents' are caused by inattention, a driver's lack of ability to read the road and weather conditions, poor training, poor attitude, lack of sleep, bad temper, badly maintained roads, inadequate signage, etc etc etc and(perhaps) speed .... of those the only one that gets meticulously policed is speed - BECAUSE IT'S THE EASIEST - I rest my case.

So ... in ALL those conditions/factors ... if all concerned SLOWED DOWN .... would not ALL concerned be less likely to get hurt (less) in the case of an "accident" ???

[Usarka]

So ... in ALL those conditions/factors ... if all concerned SLOWED DOWN .... would not ALL concerned be less likely to get hurt (less) in the case of an "accident" ???

Cool. Make sure you only do 75kph in a 100 zone. It's a lot safer.

[Ocean1]

Cool. Make sure you only do 75kph in a 100 zone. It's a lot safer.

He could do that. 'Course he'd piss a lot of motorists off, which isn't usually that safe.

Best he just stays home with a nice cup of coacoa.

[LBD]

[QUOTE=scumdog;1130173819]Wow, I never knew I had any respect to lose/QUOTE]

You probably have some to lose....but not much to spare.....

[Scuba_Steve]

Cool. Make sure you only do 75kph in a 100 zone. It's a lot safer.

whoo whoo whoo, thats far far too fast best just to stick at idle that'll be the best chance he has of not sustaining an injury short of stationary.

[Jack Miller]

So ... in ALL those conditions/factors ... if all concerned SLOWED DOWN .... would not ALL concerned be less likely to get hurt (less) in the case of an "accident" ???

Of course, which comes back to affirming my point - the ridiculous logic of speed enforcement is that traffic safety only occurs when there is no traffic. i.e.; When everyone slows down to zero there will be no accidents and the police will be happy.

[FJRider]

Of course, which comes back to affirming my point - the ridiculous logic of speed enforcement is that traffic safety only occurs when there is no traffic. i.e.; When everyone slows down to zero there will be no accidents and the police will be happy.

But motorcycles (and other traffic) still seem to fall off the road with nobody else around ... at least at the speed limit ... they fall off safely ...

[scumdog]

When everyone slows down to zero there will be no accidents and the police will be happy.

Really?

I wish that was all it took..

[caspernz]

The whole speeding ticket debate amuses me greatly, but as a professional truck driver I spend my worktime being amused by the motoring public anyhow.

On occasion I'll get passed several times by the same car or bike, usually in the same erratic or dangerous manner, only to find same car or bike at the next coffee shack or such. A little while goes by and then I come across a patrol car with the disco lights on having pulled same car or bike over....a wee toot of the horn usually elicits a familiar grin from the officer....there's the road code and then there's the code of the road....

Now I can't lay claim to being perfect as I've already been pinged for speeding on 3 occasions thus far, in 27 years and about 4 million kilometres on the road. I won't lie and say I don't find myself speeding on occasion, but growing up and taking responsibility for your own choices is obviously hard to take for some....let's not start on drink driving...

Speeding isn't the most dangerous thing on the road, but it's one of the easier things to measure and thus enforce. Tailgating, dangerous overtaking, failing to keep left being just three of the most common failings. Can't wait for us to have our drivercam installed, will make for good Youtube footage. Then again, bad driving is just something that 'other people' do isn't it?

By the way, I don't believe truck drivers as a group are anywhere near perfect. Loads of ratbags in our profession as well. From my perspective though, bikers as a group are the most risk tolerant group, so crying about speeding tickets, ACC, rego and such...tough! We as a group need to improve our behaviour on public roads before we'll be taken seriously....

[RUSS]

The whole speeding ticket debate amuses me greatly, but as a professional truck driver I spend my worktime being amused by the motoring public anyhow......
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Well said!