Speeding tickets. Why the angst?

**Kickaha** · 18th December 2011, 08:19

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

translated - "speeding tickets have nothing to do with safety, they're about money gathering.

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

It's about the fucking stupid government looking for another excuse to tax people even more.

Yeah, that must be why they reduced the fines a few years back, because it's all about money gathering

It is an "idiot tax" and one that's relatively easy to avoid

**rastuscat** · 18th December 2011, 08:36

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Yeah, that must be why they reduced the fines a few years back, because it's all about money gathering

It is an "idiot tax" and one that's relatively easy to avoid

+1

Nobody ever mentions that when they trot out the revenue gathering chestnut.

Tickets in general are easily avoidable. Don't break the rules, you won't get a ticket for breaking the rules. Easy really.

**Scuba_Steve** · 18th December 2011, 09:32

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Yeah, that must be why they reduced the fines a few years back, because it's all about money gathering

It is an "idiot tax" and one that's relatively easy to avoid

well it sure as hell aint about the safety Rustuscat even said that in different words.

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Speeding tickets aren't about danger, they're about exceeding the limit.

Yet here you are claiming it aint about money gathering then calling it an "idiot tax"

(you know what a tax is right???)

I don't care what they sting you with it doesn't change the fact it is a scam! It has an adverse impact on safety, has never & will never save a single life & does nothing except bring $$$ into the Govt.

If you can prove to me how some made up number & staying under it can magically save lives I'll listen till then I'll continue spreading the truth & maybee a few will wise up & one day we can abolish the scam.
Don't confuse this either there is dangerous driving, or too fast for the conditions (these can be done at any speed). What I'm against is the speed scam keeping your eyes off the road & on a speedo while calling it "safety" when all it does is make the Govt $$$. Which is exactly how they measure it too, how much money they brought in each year.

**Kickaha** · 18th December 2011, 10:14

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

It has an adverse impact on safety,

And your evidence to back this up is where?

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

& does nothing except bring $$$ into the Govt.

So why were the fines reduced instead of being increased?

**SMOKEU** · 18th December 2011, 10:46

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Yeah, that must be why they reduced the fines a few years back, because it's all about money gathering

Infringement notice values were decreased because the worst offenders could not afford to pay those fees. Back then it was very easy to get billed over $1000 in a single traffic stop, and for the muppets who drive around in Cefiros with cut springs and their cap on backward, they can't afford to keep paying $1000 every time a cop pulls them over. Demerits were increased simultaneously for certain offences.

**FJRider** · 18th December 2011, 11:15

Originally Posted by rastuscat

+1

Folk get all wound up about seeing the reading. What the policy says is that if it is available to show, then it should be shown. It doesn't say a single thing about it being mandatory.

I've had people frothing at the mouth about being shown the reading ("I know my rights, you can't write me a ticket if I haven't seen the reading............my best mate's second cousin is a law student, I know the law"), then they want to see the photo to prove it was them.

What;s to stop me from locking a speed on at, say, 62, early in the morning, then driving round all day dishing out tickets to anyone I decide to pick on for doing 62? Nothing at all. Except the fact that I don't have to make shit up, there are enough folk breaking the rules.

What stops me is that it's wrong, unnecessary, and wrong. Did I mention wrong?

I never claimed it was mandatory. Almost all the tickets I have had issued were entirely MY fault.

However on ONE occasion ... my hand-held GPS told me my speed had not exceeded 103 kms/hr in the PREVIOUS two and a half hours. His claim ... my GPS required re-calibrating ... (???) A phone call to his supervisor ( whom I knew due to the youth group I am involved with) sorted the problem. A slow trip (below 103 kms/hr) to the police station, to show the GPS reading, saw the officer got "spoken to on the matter" ...

It happens ... Thank-you for NOT doing similar ...

**Jantar** · 18th December 2011, 11:26

Originally Posted by FJRider

I never claimed it was mandatory. Almost all the tickets I have had issued were entirely MY fault.

However on ONE occasion ... my hand-held GPS told me my speed had not exceeded 103 kms/hr in the PREVIOUS two and a half hours. His claim ... my GPS required re-calibrating ... (???) A phone call to his supervisor ( whom I knew due to the youth group I am involved with) sorted the problem. A slow trip (below 103 kms/hr) to the police station, to show the GPS reading, saw the officer got "spoken to on the matter" ...

It happens ... Thank-you for NOT doing similar ...

The same Alexandra cop who, when I asked him to note on the back of the ticket that my bike was fitted with GPS, and the GPS was on, and recording, got back into his car and drove off without giving me a ticket?

**FJRider** · 18th December 2011, 11:44

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

If you can prove to me how some made up number & staying under it can magically save lives I'll listen till then I'll continue spreading the truth & maybee a few will wise up & one day we can abolish the scam.
Don't confuse this either there is dangerous driving, or too fast for the conditions (these can be done at any speed). What I'm against is the speed scam keeping your eyes off the road & on a speedo while calling it "safety" when all it does is make the Govt $$$. Which is exactly how they measure it too, how much money they brought in each year.

Intelligent, skilled riders/drivers, that are familiar with their vehicles, should have no problems keeping within any posted (speed) limit ... Funds gained in this "scam" ... goes towards supporting the country, with the "benefits" (for want of a better word

) the goverment provides. Without the $$$$ this "scam" provides .... where would these $$$ come from ... ???

Maybe ... if there were fewer muppets on the road, without the skill and ability (not to mention the vehicle) to travel safely at higher speeds ... the rules may be relaxed ...

Or ... a majority of the roads improved, so higher SAFE speeds could be attained. (Motorways everwhere ... ???) Too many people fall off long straight roads now ... for various reasons, without any OTHER vehicle involved.

The lowest common denominator rule ... rules ...

Such is life. Such is the rules ... and it's not a perfect world ... get over it ...

**scumdog** · 18th December 2011, 17:50

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

It's about the fucking stupid government looking for another excuse to tax people even more.

Luckily for me that tax only applies to dumb/blind/careless people...

Luckily for me the above types pay my share.

Good on ya guys!

**scumdog** · 18th December 2011, 17:52

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Don't break the rules, you won't get a ticket for breaking the rules. Easy really.

But not easy enough for some of the bozos on this site...apparently..

**FJRider** · 18th December 2011, 18:03

Originally Posted by scumdog

But not easy enough for some of the bozos on this site...apparently..

Almost as if the results of getting caught speeding ... is a secret ...

and ...

they wont catch me ... I'm too good/fast ... and I've got a radar detector ...

**SMOKEU** · 18th December 2011, 18:21

Originally Posted by scumdog

Luckily for me that tax only applies to dumb/blind/careless people...

Luckily for me the above types pay my share.

Good on ya guys!

That's why the government is more interested in busting speeders than violent thugs and thieves, because it costs money to put people in jail.

**Kickaha** · 18th December 2011, 18:22

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

That's why the government is more interested in busting speeders than violent thugs and thieves, because it costs money to put people in jail.

What a load of crap, If there was a drug dealers forum you'd probably find them on there whinging about the "revenue raising police" picking on them and how they're not harming anybody and all the same old shit that gets trotted out on here time after times well

If you really do think that then you're a lot dumber than I thought, we should raise the Nations average IQ and send you home

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

Infringement notice values were decreased because the worst offenders could not afford to pay those fees. Back then it was very easy to get billed over $1000 in a single traffic stop, and for the muppets who drive around in Cefiros with cut springs and their cap on backward, they can't afford to keep paying $1000 every time a cop pulls them over. Demerits were increased simultaneously for certain offences.

That was the reason the fines were decreased?, sounds like some made up shit backwards cap wearing inbreds made up and repeated enough times that dumb people started believing it, either way it still fucks the "revenue" argument