Night rider
ACC supplied that information in their relativity data, and the majority of deaths were in the 40+ age group. But again the stats didn't include distance travelled, and the age groups weren't evenly divided. I no longer have a copy of the raw data so can't give exact numbers. From my submission the age brackets were 15 - 20, 21 - 25, 26 - 30, 31 - 40 and 40+. It didn't give the number of licenced riders within each age group.
Time to ride
Forum whore
Show me them stats because I must have missed something? No correlation AFAIK.Originally Posted by Edbear
Driving at 100km/h on most roads at most times, makes me sleepy.
Hmm.. Put a Japanese or Kiwi fellah who's used to low speed limits and having corners with speed signs on a twisty European road or fast motorway and you'll see just how "dumbed down" their driving has became. Hell, I'd probably wet my pants if I had to drive/ride back in France these days as my driving has became so autonomous with all these 80k zones, double yellows etc etc.
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Time to wakey wakey and concentrate methinks..
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With all talk of speed etc, it reminds me that the best and most relaxed driving I've seen on a NZ road in living memory, was a Sunday Morning on the Southern Motorway (Auck). ALL the traffic around (15-20 cars) was sitting on around 118-120. The "mood" of the traffic was good, and everyone had good following distances and seemed very relaxed and concentrating. Then, a police car entered on the Manurewa ramp - of course, everyone hauled back to 100, but, the thing I noticed was, following distances closed right up, the traffic got irritable and a tension replaced the previous calmness. It was quite noticeable. Then, when said Polis pulled off at Wiri, the whole group resumed its 115-120 speed, gaps opened right up and everything calmed down again. It was quite uncanny, but, proved to me that traffic, if left to it's own devices will tend to set it's own limits and will probably act in a safer manner than if it is artificially controlled. Overseas results have shown that, when there are no speed limits, (eg Montana in the late '90's) traffic doesn't tend to travel much faster, overall, and is generally better behaved and more responsible - except for a few who seem to think they are god's gift to driving - and you get that with speed limits, anyway. I'm in favour of prima facie speed zones, where there is no limit - or a high limit, but it is up to you to prove, if you are pulled over, that it was safe to do so given the road and conditions. This would, however, need more skilled and sensible police and drivers on the roads and is probably just to hard for authorities to contemplate.
Personally, I think authorities are generally control freaks and tend to throw the baby out with the bathwater, inflicting punitive controls on all, because of the predictable behaviour of a few, causing more problems than they are trying to solve.
I'll just carry on driving/riding as I do, in a safe manner for the road/traffic conditions I'm in, and not actually look at the speedo (other than necessary built up areas)......concentrating more on the task at hand..........
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It would be interesting to be able to analyse the data this way. While many newbies are crashing, the ones dying seem to be the more experienced older ones who no doubt figure they are better riders and the deaths occur at much higher speeds in the main. Of course the faster you travel the more likely you will die, but to know what speed the deceased was doing would also be helpful. We do hear often enough that in a fatal accident it is speeding and alcohol that are "contributing factors" to the accident. Not neccessarily way over the limit but "too fast for the conditions" is a phrase we also hear far too often.
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Bogeyman
To analyse data that way you need all of it, and it's either not available or it's only available from parties with t vested interest in the use of it.
One correction that can be made is that "older riders" crash and die more than young ones. Even with the skewed age groupings Jantar noted you can correct for numbers licensed to ride to start with, or better yet those owning registered bikes. Which, by the way changes the results from them old bastards, (the largest group) being dead man riding to them being amongst the safest.
If you can't see enough of a data set to make such basic corrections then chances are the data's from that source is being spun, and it's safest to simply write it off as propaganda.
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troglodytam extraordinaire
and none of the stats say how long the rider/driver has held a licence for or what type it was.
Mind you that can be a bit off as i have had mine (bike) for over ten years but have only been riding on the road for 3.
Forum whore
Actually I've spent a lot of time thinking about how to make the roads safer. Then I asked on this forum about a few things, and I generally appreciate the responses. Some just get forgotten coz they're trash, but I listen to most. I started this thread, and have enjoyed the various responses.
Does that really make me a control freak?
I don't wanna control anyone, I'd just like people to realize that it's their own actions that they can influence most, instead of bitching and grizzling about the gubbermint and all the other homicidal maniacs they blame for most things.
But then, where's the fun in identifying personal responsibility? It's too sobering. No fun at all.
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A lot of the comments on this post are like a T-shirt I've got. It reads: "To err is human, to blame someone else good management."
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No more than I, as a Building Inspector, was a "control freak" who was always looking for a win/win outcome with every inspection I did. After a short time in the job, you realised that 85% of the builders were after the same outcome and could be generally relied upon to do the right thing, with the occasional nudge, 10%, you definitely kept your eye on and 5% were just arseholes, who seemed to spend as much time trying to circumvent standards and regulations as actually build (badly), despite how you tried to accomodate them - probably similar to motorists, and the population in general.Does that really make me a control freak?
Governments and authorities in general often seem to attract more egomaniacs and control types, along with those that want to do good. Normally the control freaks are better at squeezing out the rest and tend, over time, to become a majority. They then want to micro manage everything, with the resultant race to the bottom with ever increasing restrictive legislation, driven by an unflappable belief that the average person is incapable of managing their own lives and affairs.
In a road use situation, they howl about carnage and mayhem ,use that as an excuse to bring in more ill thought out restrictions all in the name of safety, using dubious knee jerk responses to every manufactured, emotion-charged "crisis", without actually stepping back and taking a cool, clear, unbiased overview of the whole scene. They prefer to accede to the demands of the "howling mob" element of society, and then smugly sit back and say "see, I listened to the people", whilst generally making things steadily worse.
Most motorists, if presented with clear, realistic road rules and limits, lightly but competently & professionally policed, would probably quite happily obey them without too much angst. Instead, they are bombarded with punitive, restrictive, demonising laws, heavily policed, that go a long way to making the roads a trying and demanding environment, in themselves, let alone coping with all the other, more important things that are happening.
Open road speeds - they often quote "the 85th percentile" speed, as being the most appropriate speed to set as a limit. That is correct, but they base the 85th percentile on speeds measured when there is already a maximum speed limit of 100 kph. The 85th percentile is only applicable as a guideline to recorded speeds in a totally unrestricted situation. If you applied that to NZ, you'd probably find the speed limit should be nearer 120Kph, with a floating margin for circumstance, ie. police discretion. Yet, listen to the safety nazis, and they'd be screaming of road carnage and deaths etc doubling or tripling. I'd say they'd probably drop!
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Bogeyman
Probably. Also, when most of the population exceeds the speed limit almost every time they drive only a fool would insist the speed limit needs to be lower.
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Loud and Uncouth
Just about 12 or so years back the de-facto speed limit WAS 120kph.
The road deaths were also higher then.
FYI
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Yup, still listening to ya, and I agree with some of your points.
However, one law that hasn't changed and that has no level of discretion is the law of physics.
Some blokes called Isaac Newton, Gottfried Leibniz and Johann Bernoulli came up with it, I think. It was the basis of the faster you go the bigger the mess promotion. If the population drove at an average of, say, 120 km/h, the carnage would be a lot more than 20% greater than of the population drove at 100 km/h. That's coz, as I understand, the kinetic energy increases at a greater rate than the speed i.e. it's non-proportional.
For that reason, and because traffic has to get around at some speed (otherwise we'd all be parked, not travelling), the gubbermint set a compromise of 100 km/h. It allows for a certain level of carnage. Go faster, the carnage increases. Go slower, productivity decreases.
The compromised doesn't suit everyone. Some want to go faster, some slower. Thing is, it's near impossible to set a speed for each individual. We'd all have to have a sign over our heads showing everyone else how fast we are or can go.
Ho hum, nothings going to change.
God's Evil Twin
I hope your not using that as an argument??? It's piss poor & misleading but I'm sure you know that.
switch out all the cars on the road for those used 12 years ago & see how that argument stands. The only thing that has improved safety over the years is the devices crammed into cars & the speed scam just rides on this success as justification
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Loud and Uncouth
Ok, but there's a shitload more cars on the road (safer or not) yet the deaths are still down...not just per capita but as a whole
That's the info I have, it's not 'my argument'.
Your results may differ.
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