Child abuse: when the FUCK are we going to actually take this seriously?

[Spearfish]

Did hear of one mother who's "partner" didn't like contraceptives of any type and trapped her into pregnancies (many ending in secret abortions). In this case something sharp to the nuts would have been more effective.

I'm not sure how that works, how can a woman be trapped into pregnancies? surly she doesn't need a permission slip from the "partner" do get a discreet form of contraception.

Now men being trapped...

[oneofsix]

I'm not sure how that works, how can a woman be trapped into pregnancies? surly she doesn't need a permission slip from the "partner" do get a discreet form of contraception.

Now men being trapped...

you haven't known anybody in a controlling relationship or look at physcology have you? And discreet? like partners checking your text messages whilst you are n the shower, or going through your handbag, or controlling the money and contraceptives have to be renewed and chemical ones can fail due to sickness, antibiotics etc. Life ain't always that easy and it is not always just the woman's fault, perhaps they can't see the way out or are afraid of the repercussions.

[The Singing Chef]

you haven't known anybody in a controlling relationship or look at physcology have you? And discreet? like partners checking your text messages whilst you are n the shower, or going through your handbag, or controlling the money and contraceptives have to be renewed and chemical ones can fail due to sickness, antibiotics etc. Life ain't always that easy and it is not always just the woman's fault, perhaps they can't see the way out or are afraid of the repercussions.

funnily enough I was in a controlling relationship, physical abuse (stabbing ) verbal abuse and everything else under the sun. was stuck in Brisbane with no passport because it was "lost" and no friends because of the kind of relationship. finally managed to get a passport and escape but the physcological effect that is on you whilst in the relationship is amazing, you treat it as normal and forgive and forget. its hard to get out of and any one you told never gave a shit.

[mashman]

Abstinence is the only 100% safe method of contraception. It has noting to do with needs/cultural background/upbringing it has to do with respect for ones self.
Not only that it stops women getting cervical cancer.
All others have failed at some point.

All your education is all fine and dandy but the amount people are sleeping around these days is the problem.

Just to get a tad technical. IVF? Mother Mary

If you wanna do it, snip boys at the age of 10 and only reverse them at the age of 21+. Any male who has more than 1 child, yes this will mean a DNA database and the "testing" of new borns, should be re-snipped. Job done. If a female has more than 2 abortions, snip her too.

Teaching abstinence is exactly the same as any other form of education... it means feck all when the education is ignored. May as well protect from unwanted pregnancies as best as possible... including morning after pills and free abortions...

Whilst some of you say that that only encourages them, they're gonna do what they're gonna do irrespective and not making the "remedies" available freely, will only make a bad situation worse.

[MSTRS:Me]

Same as the drug problem, really. Will legalising everything (like free contraception and abortions on tap, no questions asked) make it go away?

[Brett]

So..another sick faggot vicously beat up a 5 year old little girl over here with her tourist family while caravaning in Turangi. Nice. A real winner then, can beat up a 5 year old.

[Scuba_Steve]

So..another sick faggot vicously beat up a 5 year old little girl over here with her tourist family while caravaning in Turangi. Nice. A real winner then, can beat up a 5 year old.

I would speculate assaulting a 5 year old wasn't the main intention & I'm hoping by the vague story we're told he never got to fulfill his (assumed) intentions

[blue rider]

Same as the drug problem, really. Will legalising everything (like free contraception and abortions on tap, no questions asked) make it go away?

abortion, pill etc are all legal, but making them available with out any slut shaming, without any moral hang ups this is what needs to happen.

my point i tried to make was that with good education comes knowledge. with knowledge people (man and woman ) can make informed decisions.
Personally i don't care either way if someone chooses to abstain from certain sexual practices in order to prevent STD's or pregnancys or if someone chooses the pill together with a condom to achieve the same result. It is the knowledge coupled with personal believes that will help make the decision.

for my refusal to see abstinence as a choice, look at what I said - keep the church out of bedrooms. Maybe i was not clear enough. so I try again.....
Faith based abstinence will not work. Knowledge based abstinence will work for a while until the decision is reversed. and than knowledge will provide other solutions. If education and access to any form of birth control is provided - this includes the options for man.

Faith based abstinence till marriage has never been enforceable, and we have a past (till 1974 - arrival of the pill) where young pregnant unmarried women were send away to have their children. Just to have those children taken from them, to be adopted out, without their explicit permission.
When being a young unmarried women was considered shameful. this history is not to far behind us.
When children born out of wedlock were actually considered illegitimate - wtf?
Also faith based abstinence will put the onus on the female, as she is the one getting pregnant, the boy/man who helped make the child is not going to run around for 9 month with child - is he now?


As for my understanding of when life begins,for myself it is at the time the child is born, someone else may say at conception, another will say at the moment of ensoulment (when the child starts moving).
Who is to say who is right. I don't. but i will defend the right of any women to NOT have a child if she cant have it for what ever her reasons are.And I will also defend the women who chooses to have a child and receive any welfare benefits she is entitled to as a mother.
Why? Because it is about the right of the women to her life. It is her life that is changed by a pregnancy not mine.

morals are a funny thing, i have mine, and all of you have a set of your own morals . Whose morals should we live by? And why should I or you or anyone else for that matter change theirs.

[BoristheBiter]

abortion, pill etc are all legal, but making them available with out any slut shaming, without any moral hang ups this is what needs to happen.

my point i tried to make was that with good education comes knowledge. with knowledge people (man and woman ) can make informed decisions.
Personally i don't care either way if someone chooses to abstain from certain sexual practices in order to prevent STD's or pregnancys or if someone chooses the pill together with a condom to achieve the same result. It is the knowledge coupled with personal believes that will help make the decision.

for my refusal to see abstinence as a choice, look at what I said - keep the church out of bedrooms. Maybe i was not clear enough. so I try again.....
Faith based abstinence will not work. Knowledge based abstinence will work for a while until the decision is reversed. and than knowledge will provide other solutions. If education and access to any form of birth control is provided - this includes the options for man.

Faith based abstinence till marriage has never been enforceable, and we have a past (till 1974 - arrival of the pill) where young pregnant unmarried women were send away to have their children. Just to have those children taken from them, to be adopted out, without their explicit permission.
When being a young unmarried women was considered shameful. this history is not to far behind us.
When children born out of wedlock were actually considered illegitimate - wtf?
Also faith based abstinence will put the onus on the female, as she is the one getting pregnant, the boy/man who helped make the child is not going to run around for 9 month with child - is he now?


As for my understanding of when life begins,for myself it is at the time the child is born, someone else may say at conception, another will say at the moment of ensoulment (when the child starts moving).
Who is to say who is right. I don't. but i will defend the right of any women to NOT have a child if she cant have it for what ever her reasons are.And I will also defend the women who chooses to have a child and receive any welfare benefits she is entitled to as a mother.
Why? Because it is about the right of the women to her life. It is her life that is changed by a pregnancy not mine.

morals are a funny thing, i have mine, and all of you have a set of your own morals . Whose morals should we live by? And why should I or you or anyone else for that matter change theirs.

Where in the above posts has it been stated that you have to be of some religious faith to abstain for sex? Who said you can't have sex before marriage?
So you don't see abstinence as a choice, what can't keep your legs closed?

Maybe what is needed IS for some of these people to keep their legs closed or their pants pulled up and find out what sort of person they are about to fuck instead of jumping from one bed to another, kids to 5 different fathers, and couldn't give a shit about the ones they have.

You are also the only one going on about shame and calling them sluts. I know what my morals are and i won't throw them in your face but don't expect everyone to be so forgiving.

I will stand beside you defending the right of a women to choose if she wants to have the child or not, but I will also stand up against the DPB as if it is their choice to keep the child it is also my choice not to pay for it.

[SS90]

I would speculate assaulting a 5 year old wasn't the main intention & I'm hoping by the vague story we're told he never got to fulfill his (assumed) intentions

This story sounds really odd to me, my "Spider senses" are tingling..... I am 100% certain that we are missing some important parts of this story, it just does not sound right.

Poor Kid.

[MSTRS:Me]

... I will also defend the women who chooses to have a child and receive any welfare benefits she is entitled to as a mother.
Why? Because it is about the right of the women to her life. It is her life that is changed by a pregnancy not mine.
...

Correction. Everybody is affected by the decision of a DPB recipient to have more children. The country cannot afford to keep paying more to these career 'mothers'.
As in all things set up as a backstop, in this country at least, there are too many willing to use the system for their own personal benefit by making it a lifestyle choice.
Watch the bitches spit out another at 4 year intervals (to ensure they always have one under 5)

[meteor]

So..another sick faggot vicously beat up a 5 year old little girl over here with her tourist family while caravaning in Turangi. Nice. A real winner then, can beat up a 5 year old.

5 hours of surgery to repair her. Mum saw the 'man' on top of her... I feel sick
I'm hoping he's caught because when he gets to jail I'm picking that even the crims don't like kiddie fiddlers. This offender isn't human and shouldn't be treated like he is. We simply don't need people like that in our society. Who cares how he got to be the way he is, he is now a dangerous animal and good for fuck all, period. He needs to die!

[Scuba_Steve]

This story sounds really odd to me, my "Spider senses" are tingling..... I am 100% certain that we are missing some important parts of this story, it just does not sound right.

Poor Kid.

seems the story has been filled in a bit more since I saw it, it was a sexual assault as I assumed so I do hope he never managed to achieve it. This is where a vigilante group could be good. Forced removal of genitals using "dark-age" sterilisation & pain killers is in order I think

[MSTRS:Me]

Forced removal of genitals using "dark-age" sterilisation & pain killers is in order I think

Please tell me that you mean 'None at all'...
Actually, a docking ring would be grand. Slow, he gets to watch his precious bits turn black, shrivel and finally fall off...
Of course, surgical venting of his bladder into his arse would be necessary. Wouldn't want it to fill to splitting point and kill him, would we?

[Scuba_Steve]

Please tell me that you mean 'None at all'...
Actually, a docking ring would be grand. Slow, he gets to watch his precious bits turn black, shrivel and finally fall off...
Of course, surgical venting of his bladder into his arse would be necessary. Wouldn't want it to fill to splitting point and kill him, would we?

no we're not "barbarians" he'll get a swig of whisky a stick in the mouth, off with the genitals a pour of whisky over the wound & the hot poker to seal it up, job done

A fuck load cheaper & faster than hospital's way & justice will be served unlike if we let our legal system take care of it