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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    I've been lied to by a motorist. Like every 2 hours or so.

    For example, I stopped a bloke for using a cellphone. It was a silver flip phone, which I clearly saw as he drove past me. I was on a patrol bike, and had a primo view. When stopped the guy produced a Blackberry, adamant that I couldn't write the ticket due to me having seen something that didn't exist. Ranted and raved, then drove off. I went after him, and locked him up for having driven off. While in custody he was found to have 3 phones on him, including the silver flip phone I had seen. That one went all the way to court, here he lied his face off. The JP found him guilty after I told about having found the 3 phones.

    Remember, humans tell porkies. Even those writing on KB.

    Spooky, innit.
    I hope that isn't an attempt at justification for a cop lying. Because you've just countered yourself with that one...

    You're bang on with that, why would a cop lie when he has no valid reason to? Oh that's right, because he's human, as you've said.

    The fact that motorists lie isn't relevant, you asked why a cop would lie. Which you have also just answered, better than I could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay GTI View Post
    I hope that isn't an attempt at justification for a cop lying. Because you've just countered yourself with that one...

    You're bang on with that, why would a cop lie when he has no valid reason to? Oh that's right, because he's human, as you've said.

    The fact that motorists lie isn't relevant, you asked why a cop would lie. Which you have also just answered, better than I could.
    I take it you don't like cops?
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    Ha...Thats true but life is full horrible choices sometimes Merv. Then sometimes just plain stuff happens... and then some more stuff happens.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Same old advice coming from me; don't speed, don't get a speeding ticket.
    So what advice can you offer for those given a speeding ticket for a speeding offence they didn't commit by officers who can't pinpoint the location where the alleged offence took place? Essentially being pulled over and told you were doing x speed many km back and shown a radar reading for approx 20km/h more than you have done the whole trip?

    I have a letter to write tomorrow, any advice you'd like to give would be appreciated and could be constructively used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducatilover View Post
    I take it you don't like cops?
    Actually no, that isn't my issue. A good friend is a cop and I do like him a lot. What I don't like is cops that think they are somehow above the rest of us, when in truth we are all human, weaknesses and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay GTI View Post
    Actually no, that isn't my issue. A good friend is a cop and I do like him a lot. What I don't like is cops that think they are somehow above the rest of us, when in truth we are all human, weaknesses and all.
    You get people like that in all walks, especially teachers and politicians.
    I don't like people like that at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay GTI View Post
    Actually no, that isn't my issue. A good friend is a cop and I do like him a lot. What I don't like is cops that think they are somehow above the rest of us, when in truth we are all human, weaknesses and all.
    Yup, no question of that. That's why we have a court as the arbiter of fact.

    Thing is, I've been in court and heard a judge decide something that shows that he/she was human too, and prone to error.

    As long as there are humans there will be disagreements.

    Sorry for agreeing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwibaconator View Post
    So what advice can you offer for those given a speeding ticket for a speeding offence they didn't commit by officers who can't pinpoint the location where the alleged offence took place? Essentially being pulled over and told you were doing x speed many km back and shown a radar reading for approx 20km/h more than you have done the whole trip?

    I have a letter to write tomorrow, any advice you'd like to give would be appreciated and could be constructively used.
    Have pondered that. It must be a bastard being accused of something that you don't believe you have done. I've even pondered it when dealing with someone who I have seen actually do the thing they don't believe they have done. I've previously posted a letter on KB from someone adamant that they didn't go through a red light, when I had it on video. Whether you actually did it or not actually doesn't matter, if you believe that you haven't, the sense of injustice must be appalling.

    Thing is, it works the other way too. A cop acting in good faith prosecutes someone, then feels aggrieved when the defence raises all the spurious issues in creation.

    Fight your corner as best you can, honestly and without malice, then accept whatever decision comes your way. Don't make personal attacks on the cops, as they will only be to your detriment. Best I can do, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Have pondered that. It must be a bastard being accused of something that you don't believe you have done.
    Sure is, especially when witnesses back it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    I've even pondered it when dealing with someone who I have seen actually do the thing they don't believe they have done. I've previously posted a letter on KB from someone adamant that they didn't go through a red light, when I had it on video. Whether you actually did it or not actually doesn't matter, if you believe that you haven't, the sense of injustice must be appalling.
    I notice your example is one trying to show that there was no "false positive allegation", only a mistaken customer. Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Have pondered that. It must be a bastard being accused of something that you don't believe you have done. .....

    Fight your corner as best you can, honestly and without malice, then accept whatever decision comes your way. Don't make personal attacks on the cops, as they will only be to your detriment. Best I can do, sorry.
    Rastuscat, this is another example of the Alexandra cops that I have mentioned on other occassions. I know the stretch of road where Kiwibaconator was accused of speeding and I also know that it would be very difficult to exceed the speed limit on many parts of that section. That is why he has asked for the information as to exactly where the offence is supposed to have taken place. So far the cop has not been able to supply that information.

    The Alexandra cops are also one reason why I have dual GPS on my bike, one always displaying the speed and one mapping and recording. That system has proved invaluable when stopped with bogus speeding accusations.

    I won't claim that I never speed, and I have no hesitation in admitting when its a fair cop, but 3 out of 4 times I've been stopped by local cops in the past 10 years it has been a bogus accusation. One of those I defended successfully, once the cop saw that I had a reording GPS and just got in his car and drove off. Twice I've paid the fine (one deserved and once I had insufficient proof to defend myself).
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    I had a similar experience riding with Ulysses. A rider in front of me was pulled over for speeding, which clearly neither of us was doing. I pulled up to watch proceedings, the cop was annoyed that I was watching. He told me to piss off, or he would charge both of us under the car crushing laws for racing. Instant lose for us, no court, no appeal, just accused = guilty, argue after 28 days and when your wallet empty.

    Still, I have been on a jury since then, and when the case essentially came down to policemans word V defendants word it was an easy call for me.
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    Interesting. When a rider makes a mistake it's because he/she is human.

    When a Popo makes a mistake he/she is corrupt.

    Ah well. Guess that'll never change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davereid View Post
    Still, I have been on a jury since then, and when the case essentially came down to policemans word V defendants word it was an easy call for me.
    Yeah, heard that quite a lot over the years. I can't say I blame you. That's the point in jurys. If a Popo does something to destroy your faith in the system, who could blame you for not having faith in the system.

    I heard that a lot when the MoT was taken over by the Police, that we were jury ****ers. I hear it still, that jurors have a dim view of the Police due to the tickets they have had. No mention of public confidence destroyed by the Arthur Allan Thomas case, the falsely accused David Doherty, the David Bain fiasco, various other shambles. It's all coz we issue tickets. Have a look at Brent Garner on this link, and tell me if he lost his public confidence by writing tickets......http://www.crime.co.nz/c-files.aspx?ID=60

    Please also consider that those of us who turn up each day and do an honest days work have been scarred by the actions mentioned, and find it hard to take the virtually constant tirade of abuse.

    Still, that never seems to get mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
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    Please also consider that those of us who turn up each day and do an honest days work have been scarred by the actions mentioned, and find it hard to take the virtually constant tirade of abuse.

    Still, that never seems to get mentioned.
    Oh, it does. The majority on here do respect most of the front line cops. I know I couldn't do your job, and probably many others here couldn't either. However, just like in any other walk in life, there are a few who give a bad name to the rest.

    Most of the angst isn't against the guys on the front line, even if a few do deserve it, but we do rant against the policies that came down from the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Interesting. When a rider makes a mistake it's because he/she is human.

    When a Popo makes a mistake he/she is corrupt.

    Ah well. Guess that'll never change.
    Are there problems with some officers or are we talking about simply human mistakes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Interesting. When a rider makes a mistake it's because he/she is human.

    When a Popo makes a mistake he/she is corrupt.

    Ah well. Guess that'll never change.
    A mistake? Several here have recounted experiences of cops not simply misapprehending the circumstances but clearly and deliberately fabricating evidence.

    You don't have to believe them, (they lost the right to be officially assumed to be innocent until proven guilty without a long dragged out fight some time ago) but for you to infer here that such experiences are either rare or simple, understandable mistakes is disingenuous.

    We have one of the least corrupt police forces on the planet. But ask yourself this: What if just half of these experiences have been recounted correctly? Things might need changing, eh?
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