Car crushing in the ODT today (13 Dec)

[SMOKEU]

Are you fucken serious??? 3 or 4 donuts at full noise in a crowd of a couple hundred people is hardly a little skid. It's fucken madness, is what it is. People have been, and will continue to be hurt by this shit. I watched two teenage girls get mowed down by one of these 'harmless' fucken morons one night. Fortunately there was nothing more than bruises and scrapes, but it could have been much, much worse.

Entire residential streets have been blocked off by hundreds of these clowns, while they do thier 'harmless little skids' and the residents, at 2am, are too fucken scared to come out of thier homes, lest they be set on by drunken teenage mobs. You can laugh if you like, but it does happen, and more often than you think. Ive seen it many times.

The difference is, that back in the days when I had V8's, and did the occasional skid, I had respect for other people, and thier property, so didnt deliberatly seek out place where i could cause maximum public nusiance, and I never, never, abused someone else's property and laughed, or taunted them about it.

The serious offense, that you speak of, is a lack of respect for the law, but sadly you seem to be another one that thinks that's okay as long as no one gets hurt. Define your definition of getting hurt. For the residents of a suburban street at 2am, the hurt is emotional, not alway physical.

You're taking this whole thing right out of context. There's a difference between blocking off a whole street and terrorising residents compared to a single vehicle doing a skid.

Just like there's a difference between going 200kmh on a deserted road in the countryside and speeding through a sports field where kids are playing cricket on a Saturday morning.

What you're talking about is no different to an out of control party with 200 people walking down the streets smashing bottles and starting fights. The thing is that those people who smash bottles and start fights may end up getting arrested and getting a small fine after a court appearance. So why should large mobs of out of control teenagers be treated any better than someone doing a skid? You were saying that people get hurt by out of control cars skidding up, are you also saying that innocent people getting bashed don't get hurt? Why is it acceptable that groups of people bashing innocent people minding their own business often get treated better by the courts that people who do a skid?

[Virago]

...Just like there's a difference between going 200kmh on a deserted road in the countryside and speeding through a sports field where kids are playing cricket on a Saturday morning.

Or being caught speeding past a school and then whining about it...?

[Brian407]

You're taking this whole thing right out of context. There's a difference between blocking off a whole street and terrorising residents compared to a single vehicle doing a skid.

Just like there's a difference between going 200kmh on a deserted road in the countryside and speeding through a sports field where kids are playing cricket on a Saturday morning.

What you're talking about is no different to an out of control party with 200 people walking down the streets smashing bottles and starting fights. The thing is that those people who smash bottles and start fights may end up getting arrested and getting a small fine after a court appearance. So why should large mobs of out of control teenagers be treated any better than someone doing a skid?

So, Breaking the law is okay as long as no one gets hurt, is that what you're saying ? It sounds like it too me, and its exactly that sort of mentality that the problems stem from. Everything starts with a beginning, and your 'harmless' bloke doing his skid is a beginning, and because we have an entire generation, and now possibly two, with a complete lack of respect for the law, it snowballs into what we see all too often in suburban streets.

Gray Wolf referred to the burn out pad that we had here in Invercargill, out at Riverside Raceway, if memory serves. That was one of Tim's attempts to get 'harmless little skids' off the streets, problem was, there was no audience, and no one to 'freak out' with their behaviour, so they took to organising 'trains' out to country roads just out of town, and terrorising farmers instead, or pouring oil on roundabouts and laughing at innocent drivers crashing into the war memorial, or other cars. We didnt do that shit back in the day, we had respect for others, and tyres were too bloody expensive.

Your 'harmless' bloke doing his skid these days is seen by others who then in turn think it's okay for them to do it, and so on, and so on. As long as that mentality exists the bigger problem will never be solved.

Because respect is gone, and not coming back anytime soon, Get Bigger Crushers I say. Do it on the spot.

[Flip]

Doing skids falls more into a breach of the peace type offence, and possibly wilful damage than a serious danger. How is this any worse than a group of drunk people walking down the street at 2am being rowdy perhaps smashing a glass bottle on the street? If someone is in a car with one foot on the brakes and the other foot on the throttle spinning the tyres, then it's hardly a serious offence. Who's going to get hurt or killed by a little skid? I live on a busy road in a residential area and someone does a small burnout down the road from me about once a month that I know of. It's hardly enough to start complaining.

I have seen large groups of motorcyclists on group rides on public roads where a few of them do dangerous shit which has a high risk of causing serious harm to themselves and others, all of which is far more dangerous than a little burnout. People often like to show off on group rides.

Also when riding to Akaroa I have on numerous occasions seen people riding sports bikes overtaking on blind corners and otherwise riding in a manner likely to cause danger to not only themselves, but other road users as well.

Funny how if a young male car driver does something a little silly, but not dangerous, a witch hunt often ensues, yet if a motorcyclist does something stupid then it's not viewed as being anywhere near as bad.

That wee kid who was killed in Beckenham, that old couple who were killed in Sydenham and the asian Lady who was killed in Moorhouse ave this year no longer have a voice to say how dangerous the boy racer culture has become.

I don't see why the boy racers deserve any better treatment by the authorities than any other criminal group. You see them as Robin Hood’s thumbing their noses at authority, I see them as a dangerous minority group of wannabe criminal thugs.

[Brian407]

That wee kid who was killed in Beckenham, that old couple who were killed in Sydenham and the asian Lady who was killed in Moorhouse ave....

Or the three teenagers killed here, slamming into a wall at over 200kph....(my daughter was in that car half an hour prior to that) the list goes on, and will continue to do so until parents and caregivers get a grip and start showing some respect, that the kids can learn from.

[Flip]

Or the three teenagers killed here, slamming into a wall at over 200kph....(my daughter was in that car half an hour prior to that) the list goes on, and will continue to do so until parents and caregivers get a grip and start showing some respect, that the kids can learn from.

I do not believe many of the boy racers are boys, I would say the majority of them are adults and very middle class.

I also don't buy into the PC crap about it being their parents fault, they are just "Boys in mens undies" out looking for some fun.

[SMOKEU]

Or being caught speeding past a school and then whining about it...?

6kmh over the 50kmh limit is a lot different from going 100kmh in a 50kmh zone.

That wee kid who was killed in Beckenham, that old couple who were killed in Sydenham and the asian Lady who was killed in Moorhouse ave this year no longer have a voice to say how dangerous the boy racer culture has become.

I don't see why the boy racers deserve any better treatment by the authorities than any other criminal group. You see them as Robin Hood’s thumbing their noses at authority, I see them as a dangerous minority group of wannabe criminal thugs.

And the drunk dude who did a runner from the cops and killed 2 elderly people down Fitzgerald Ave, or the lady driving the BMW who didn't look properly at an intersection and wiped out a motorcyclist, or the cop who did a U turn in front of a motorcyclist, or the dude who did a dangerous overtaking manoeuvre and caused a head on crash, or the dude on the GSXR1000 who overtook on a blind corner and nearly caused a head on crash....

The fact remains that NZ drivers are shit in general. The majority of drivers can't even indicate properly at a roundabout, and if they can't do something so simple, why are they even allowed on the roads? It's so easy to blame everyone who is young and drives a "modified" car, but the fact remains that adults are poor drivers as well. It's much easier to blame young people than to admit that your own driving abilities are not as good as you think they are.

Like I've said before, the double standards on this site really piss me off. Plenty of people on here have modified bikes with aftermarket exhausts which are specifically designed to increase the noise output (come on, does a CBR1000RR really need any more power?). Those same people think it's OK for them to do stupid shit like push themselves to the limits on public roads and to attempt to break the land speed record, but if some young dude in a car does the same thing then they should be shot. Why?

I know that a motorbike can do less damage to a third party in the event of a crash than a 1.5 ton car moving at the same speed, but what about if there is an out of control motorcyclist, and a car driver takes evasive action to avoid hitting the motorcyclist? I bet the motorcyclist won't get blamed as much as a young guy driving a fast car.

I see plenty of "boy racer" bashing posts on here (BTW, I don't own a car), yet I hardly see many "crazy dude on a motorbike" bashing posts. The fact remains that not everyone rides a motorbike, and some people who just want to go out for a quiet Sunday drive do get intimidated when they see groups of Harleys with noisy exhausts behind them, or sports bikes overtaking them at silly speeds.

I've been on KB rides before, and I've seen that many of the riders there have bikes which are the "boy racer" equivalent of a bike, and they have a very similar anti authoritative attitude where they feel the need to show off by speeding or doing wheelies and other such stunts which should not be attempted on a public road. I guess doing stupid shit on the roads endangering other people is fine then as long as it's done on a motorbike instead of a car.

[SMOKEU]

So, Breaking the law is okay as long as no one gets hurt, is that what you're saying ? It sounds like it too me, and its exactly that sort of mentality that the problems stem from.

So, if I smoke some buds, I'm not harming anyone else so why should I be labelled a criminal for doing so?

[Bikemad]

So, if I smoke some buds, I'm not harming anyone else so why should I be labelled a criminal for doing so?

do ya smoke ya buds before or after riding ya scooter?

[rastuscat]

Treating boy racers as a traffic problem is tosh.

The problem is one of disorder or lawlessness, that just happens to involve vehicles. It's a reflection on society, and how it has progressed.

There are those who do it on bikes too e.g. ghostrider.

Freedom comes with responsibility, but many want all the freedom to do as they please with no regard for their responsibility to the population.

So there.

[Brian407]

So, if I smoke some buds, I'm not harming anyone else so why should I be labelled a criminal for doing so?

Because it's AGAINST THE FUCKEN LAW you retard. Do you not fucken get it. Whether you believe a law to be right, wrong or indifferent is irrellavant, it's the fucken LAW. If you dont like the law become a politician and do something about it, dont come on here with your 'Poor Me's' whining about it being unjust, or unfair or whatever.

If you dont like the 'double standards' of this site then go somewhere else. Simple really.

[Brian407]

Treating boy racers as a traffic problem is tosh.

The problem is one of disorder or lawlessness, that just happens to involve vehicles. It's a reflection on society, and how it has progressed.

There are those who do it on bikes too e.g. ghostrider.

Freedom comes with responsibility, but many want all the freedom to do as they please with no regard for their responsibility to the population.

So there.

Couldnt agree more. I was bought up with the philsophy that 'every man has the right to do what he wants, as long as he doesnt infringe on the exact same rights of others', and sometimes those rights are a matter of law.

[Virago]

...I also don't buy into the PC crap about it being their parents fault...

Fault, no - but in many cases the parents openly defend their child's "right" to "have a bit of fun".

People like Scumdog can tell plenty of stories of the tirade of abusive outrage from parents, when some young tosser's car is impounded.

[superman]

Because it's AGAINST THE FUCKEN LAW you retard. Do you not fucken get it. Whether you believe a law to be right, wrong or indifferent is irrellavant, it's the fucken LAW. If you dont like the law become a politician and do something about it, dont come on here with your 'Poor Me's' whining about it being unjust, or unfair or whatever.

If you dont like the 'double standards' of this site then go somewhere else. Simple really.

Democracy requires the majority of the people to want a law changed for it to happen. If he can make people think about laws anywhere then it benefits his view point. Being a politician doesn't let you just change a law without a large amount of peoples support, and there's already those in parliament campaigning for what SmokeU wants.

[Bikemad]

looks like he's gone........ had a spliff and gone for a ride to do some skids maybe