Safer Journeys for Motorcycling

[Brian407]

How is making submissions going to change anything?

and thats exactly why it wont change anything. If you dont vote, or make submissions, dont moan about what you get. Nothing worse than apathy.

[caspernz]

and thats exactly why it wont change anything. If you dont vote, or make submissions, dont moan about what you get. Nothing worse than apathy.

In a way, much as I hate to think this way, the whole setup with this is exactly that. It's a setup to trick us into thinking we actually have input....

[Brian407]

so we should just bend over and take it up the arse.... is that what you're saying ??

[Hitcher]

so we should just bend over and take it up the arse.... is that what you're saying ??

Bend over if you must. We're still going to get it up the arse whatever position we choose.

[Brian407]

at least i'll put up some resistance, and they'll need extra lube...

[GrayWolf]

I Imagine ISA will go on trucks first, then cars, then motorbikes, but there are a lot of hurdles for any government to get over before they start implementing that kind of thing.


I think the point of putting a draft document out is to get feedback like that, to them though as it is pointless writing on here. I did think the same thing myself a couple of times btw.

What is a very real possibility is the 'black box' type unit that Mercedes (I think) have played with... it records brakes, steering input, throttle position, speed, gear selected, etc and retains it for the 15 seconds prior to an impact. They were developing it as a 'safety aid' to understand the damage a vehicle sustains, type of impacts and how to strengthen them against these impacts. The UK police have the legal right to look at your cel phone at an accident site to see if you have texted, or were on the phone immediately prior to, or at the actual time of the incident. Nowwwww start fitting 'black boxes' to new vehicles?? We already have on board computers as engine management/ABS/Stability control............ there's your 'active' speed assistance.

[St_Gabriel]

What is a very real possibility is the 'black box' type unit that Mercedes (I think) have played with... it records brakes, steering input, throttle position, speed, gear selected, etc and retains it for the 15 seconds prior to an impact. They were developing it as a 'safety aid' to understand the damage a vehicle sustains, type of impacts and how to strengthen them against these impacts. The UK police have the legal right to look at your cel phone at an accident site to see if you have texted, or were on the phone immediately prior to, or at the actual time of the incident. Nowwwww start fitting 'black boxes' to new vehicles?? We already have on board computers as engine management/ABS/Stability control............ there's your 'active' speed assistance.

They already are fitted. There was a story in the paper about a Holden Commodore (VZ model from my shady memory) where the authorites were able to access the information that was retained in either the ABS or the Airbag module which had the final 3 seconds before deployment. It showed that the vehicle had been travelling at a lot higher speed than was reported to the police by the driver, it also showed the deceleration G forces. Be afraid...very afraid.

[St_Gabriel]

After some searching, I have located the source of this information, please forgive my failing memory for the shortcomings of the previous post

Stuff.co.nz article

[Brian d marge]

Good luck fitting them on my enfield !!!

Not sure it could record speeds as fast as me enfield travels ,,,,,,,

if it survived the vibrations

and as for recording when the brakes were applied ...hahahahaha even I DONT KNOW !


Stephen

Firmly planted in the past .......

Spinning wheels BAH HUMBUG !!!!

[avgas]

They already are fitted. There was a story in the paper about a Holden Commodore (VZ model from my shady memory) where the authorites were able to access the information that was retained in either the ABS or the Airbag module which had the final 3 seconds before deployment. It showed that the vehicle had been travelling at a lot higher speed than was reported to the police by the driver, it also showed the deceleration G forces. Be afraid...very afraid.

I can show you what you need to do to fry em if your concerned about tickets. Its not against the law to do this yet. Its also easy to do (in fact they fail more often than CX's).

[caspernz]

so we should just bend over and take it up the arse.... is that what you're saying ??

Not at all. The current method for us to have our say seems suspect. New approach needed for us to get thru to powers that be.....

[caspernz]

What is a very real possibility is the 'black box' type unit that Mercedes (I think) have played with... it records brakes, steering input, throttle position, speed, gear selected, etc and retains it for the 15 seconds prior to an impact. They were developing it as a 'safety aid' to understand the damage a vehicle sustains, type of impacts and how to strengthen them against these impacts. The UK police have the legal right to look at your cel phone at an accident site to see if you have texted, or were on the phone immediately prior to, or at the actual time of the incident. Nowwwww start fitting 'black boxes' to new vehicles?? We already have on board computers as engine management/ABS/Stability control............ there's your 'active' speed assistance.

Here's the kicker, as a professional truck driver, we've had the above technology fitted to our trucks for years. Speed limited, ABS, roll stability, GPS records various elements, panic button records previous minute in great detail, and regardless GPS transmits warning to various superiors when driver exceeds any limit, such as harsh braking, cornering etc. Oh and 4 km/h over the limit in any area results in a 'please explain' phonecall, 10 km/h over and you can just about start cleaning out your locker....

Most modern vehicles already have most of the technology fitted. Hate the thought of riding a bike that's strangled in this manner....

[NONONO]

Bend over if you must. We're still going to get it up the arse whatever position we choose.

For gods sake man have you got ANY backbone. So sick of your "Why bother" stance. Jeez you must be hell to live with. Try some anti depressants or get pissed, have a blow out, but FFS stop with the cynicism will ya.
Really Hitcher, have a look at yourself, it's bleedin depression central.

[Hitcher]

For gods sake man have you got ANY backbone. So sick of your "Why bother" stance. Jeez you must be hell to live with. Try some anti depressants or get pissed, have a blow out, but FFS stop with the cynicism will ya.
Really Hitcher, have a look at yourself, it's bleedin depression central.

If you would prefer, I could adopt a persona of Pollyannaish delusional optimism, one which articulated a view that key decision makers in the public service (officials, not politicians) could be persuaded by logic and reason to change the views that they currently hold. This same voice of unadulterated joy and positivism could also espouse a belief that there may be politicians of influence who actually give a shit about the wants and needs of those of us who ride motorcycles and who are ready to rally around our just and righteous cause.

For inspiration, I could draw on the numerous posts in the echo chamber of indignation that are regularly trotted out on Kiwi Biker, none of which have ever been heard by the decision makers with whom each new poster wishes to lock horns.

If believing that a tired argument that has failed once or twice before is a lack of backbone, then perhaps I should indeed go and fraternise with other cnidarians.

[Brian407]

Perhaps you should....