2012 Forza and Pitsterpro bikes have arrived!

[jt119]

Hahahaha you asked for that one john

lol dont take much to get him going . maybe you could fit one of the 18 rims off one to that ktm .

[gwynfryn]

Initially i enjoyed reading about the forzas and cw is ideally suited to give them a good workout. Not everyone can afford an expensive bike and they look perfect for the average joe. I hope they sell well and give people lots of enjoyment.
What is annoying is cw's one-eyedness. If anyone questions one of his lofty statements they get shot down. A long term owners report will be great reading but telling us about what deals you have, how many you have sold, who you have sold them to etc etc is just tedious.

[jt119]

From a man that owns CRF's and knows they are trouble???you should get a Forza you might even be able to touch the ground on one of the kids bikes!

eny one for a vegetarian burger

[flyingcr250]

eny one for a vegetarian burger

"what the f**k theres no meat in my burger, who gives someone a burger with no f**kn meat in it?, i didnt ask for a vege burger"

[cave weta]

Initially i enjoyed reading about the forzas and cw is ideally suited to give them a good workout. Not everyone can afford an expensive bike and they look perfect for the average joe. I hope they sell well and give people lots of enjoyment.
What is annoying is cw's one-eyedness. If anyone questions one of his lofty statements they get shot down. A long term owners report will be great reading but telling us about what deals you have, how many you have sold, who you have sold them to etc etc is just tedious.

Gwynfyn- this is not necesseraly aimed at you but you have brought up some good points here:

I have two threads in this forum. One on the Forza that has had over 4400 hits, meaning people are interested.

The other is on the New PitsterPro 230XTR. that thread has over 1200 hits. It is a totally different bike from a totally different manufacturer. The bike in the video has just been assembled from the box. It is the first in the country and I am the first person to ride it. Is that news?

I feel that Im qualified to say that a bike has features similar to KTM if I own both bikes and Im standing here looking at them -while you tap away on your keyboard without ever having seen one of these bikes.- let alone ridden or owned one!

One Eyed?..... hey I would bet money on the fact that I have owned more dirtbikes from more manufactures than you have ever even sat on in shops!

please settle down- you are vastly outnumbered on here by people who have an interest in what is newly available and different and is bloody great value for money.


Long term owner's reports will be provided in the future obviously....... The bikes only arrived in the country 3 weeks ago.

Why not come and ride these bikes? Join me here on a variety of trails for the day - see how they go? come and write a review- I would value your opinions on them once you have seen them and ridden them.

Now please... If you are not interested in new bikes- go away.

once this shit fight has ceased - I can get on to giving you guys an objective overview of cheap bike that I am enjoying immensly.

[cave weta]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't there an online trading forum for these kinds of postings?

Search my posts in online trading for these bikes- they are there

- these two threads that we are discussing here are both about the release of 2 new bikes that I believe will interest other users of this forum.

You will not find in this forum any posts about the Pitbikes, the childrens bikes or the scooters or the quads that I sell- because I dont think that they are very interesting to you.

If you do not like my thread- please dont torture yourself by reading it.

[Jinxycat]

I must agree that the thread (2 of them) are clearly Forza and do not open themselves, quite easy to skip if your "sick of all this stuff", as news is quite slow on the forum at the moment it does give you something to read, i mean this one here it HOT at the moment.

[NordieBoy]

Post a couple of >640x480 pics and see how long 'till a mod noses in

[Rupe]

"what the f**k theres no meat in my burger, who gives someone a burger with no f**kn meat in it?, i didnt ask for a vege burger"

it was a salad burger....what a bitch

[flyingcr250]

it was a salad burger....what a bitch

JT always said you were a meat patty short of a burger......

[motor_mayhem]

Gwynfyn- this is not necesseraly aimed at you but you have brought up some good points here:

I have two threads in this forum. One on the Forza that has had over 4400 hits, meaning people are interested.

The other is on the New PitsterPro 230XTR. that thread has over 1200 hits. It is a totally different bike from a totally different manufacturer. The bike in the video has just been assembled from the box. It is the first in the country and I am the first person to ride it. Is that news?

I feel that Im qualified to say that a bike has features similar to KTM if I own both bikes and Im standing here looking at them -while you tap away on your keyboard without ever having seen one of these bikes.- let alone ridden or owned one!

One Eyed?..... hey I would bet money on the fact that I have owned more dirtbikes from more manufactures than you have ever even sat on in shops!

please settle down- you are vastly outnumbered on here by people who have an interest in what is newly available and different and is bloody great value for money.


Long term owner's reports will be provided in the future obviously....... The bikes only arrived in the country 3 weeks ago.

Why not come and ride these bikes? Join me here on a variety of trails for the day - see how they go? come and write a review- I would value your opinions on them once you have seen them and ridden them.

Now please... If you are not interested in new bikes- go away.

once this shit fight has ceased - I can get on to giving you guys an objective overview of cheap bike that I am enjoying immensly.

Have you deleted the thread where you said the Forza was better all round than a motocross 250 and then told us it was basically a KTM frame with an engine with the power of an SX-F but with XR style simplicity and low maintenance requirements?

Vastly outnumbered? I count at least 3 people in this thread alone including myself disagreeing with some of your overselling of the bike. You don't consider that reason to pause for thought?

With your vast amount of bike experience are you honestly going to say a $4,000 bike is as good as a $14,000 bike? Reading between your lines I would think you might say that your average rider may not notice much difference and that some of the designs and/or functionality are the same but you need to come down to ground if you think that makes them virtually the same bike. Whether you have some bias or not might be in question and your experience does not disqualify bias but everyone knows that bottom line you profit when you sell the bikes. Combine that with a sales pitch that experienced riders have difficulty believing and you can surely see how problems arise.

I don't understand why you need to go into those sort of comparisons anyway.

Why not just say it's a reliable bike that looks professionally finished and will still get the rider through the mucky stuff. It competently does everything the average trailrider needs but it doesn't come with a racing price tag or a racing high maintenance schedule leaving the rider more time to actually ride and more $$$ in their pocket. I am sure with your experience on the bikes you could elaborate more on a pitch like that but you can see it sounds realistic and believable. And if by chance it does happen to be every bit as good as a more expensive bike why not just let the word of mouth do the work for you?

Like this thread, you're not being forced to read this post but it would be good if you would consider that it may in fact contain reason and explaination rather than malice.

On a side note someone else complained about every disagreement being whinging - well would they rather have a bunch of lap dogs where everyone agrees with everyone else without question just because they don't want to appear as the whinger?

[cave weta]

Why not just say it's a reliable bike that looks professionally finished and will still get the rider through the mucky stuff. It competently does everything the average trailrider needs but it doesn't come with a racing price tag or a racing high maintenance schedule leaving the rider more time to actually ride and more $$$ in their pocket. I am sure with your experience on the bikes you could elaborate more on a pitch like that but you can see it sounds realistic and believable. And if by chance it does happen to be every bit as good as a more expensive bike why not just let the word of mouth do the work for you?

YES! brilliantly written. I wish I could write like that. - check your bling

[cave weta]

Some fair points there, but its no longer news. It was a month ago, now its you just going on and on about these bikes....

get your facts straight before you embarrass your self further.

Thread was started 8 days before you made your post- not 1 month.

I have not gone on and on since then about the bike- The first post contains the only bike related info
the entire thread has been filled with two or three people whinging and me saying "well if you dont like it - dont read it"

[Jay GTI]

What I don't understand, CW is that you are a businessman, who is already facing an uphill struggle trying to change the minds of ignorant "all Chinese bikes are crap" types, but luckily you have a good product to help you do so... however, as a representative for Forza and Pitster bikes, you seem to be missing that you are just as important to the reputation of those bikes as the quality of the welding or what ever.

It won't take much effort for a prospective customer to find their way on here, where they will find this thread, and this thread is not a particularly positive endorsement of you, or your bikes. You can attempt to justify your posts, you can belittle people who criticise you and tell us we're all wrong for doing so, but it is still not a positive approach from someone who is obviously investing a large sum of money in a product that is a relatively unknown in NZ.

My real concern is that if this continues down into a typical KB flame war, with the usual lurking idiots wading in with their barely intelligible drivel, it is going to have a real impact the reputation of you and your bikes and it is actually in all our interests that you succeed. You are selling products that are the perfect starter dirt bikes, so that Mr Average who has seen those trailer-loads of motocrossers heading out into the wap-waps and always thought that looked like fun, can actually have a go at a ridiculously reasonable price, on a solid, reliable bike. That's how we grow our community, gain more riding buddies, generate more revenue for the ride organisers and trail park owners, who in turn use that money to develop their facilities and rides... and we all get to directly benefit from your success!

I wish you all the success in the world, I do want to buy a bike off you (I really don't like the cheapness of the CRF) and I want the Forzas and Pitsters to finally silence those ignorants who can barely conceal their racism in the unfounded criticism of "Chinese" bikes. I just think in order for this to happen, you could spend some time sifting through the usual KB drivel and see if there is positive merit taking on board some of our complaints and changing your strategy for your benefit, rather than digging up pointless stats, talking about why you're qualified to express some at times questionable opinions and conveniently forgetting about all the other threads you've started about your bikes since you started selling them.

[cave weta]

It won't take much effort for a prospective customer to find their way on here, where they will find this thread, and this thread is not a particularly positive endorsement of you, or your bikes. .

Nice post!- bling sent. I do like how you have put this. You are so right- I have no right to compare Chinese bikes to good quality Japanese motorcycles. and as for standing up to the people who have red repped me and accused me of spamming the forums. I should be ashamed of myself! after all, a thread on the new Forza 230f and now this one on the PitsterPro is just blatant advertising!

I will sin bin myself for a month.