So they found the cunt, and he's sixteen years old

[scumdog]

I have people in my Family who were given the very same up bringing as I was.
Me? have a degree, worked professionally with youth, and in youth justice, work hard, etc etc.
brother? - does drugs, has spent 8 out the last 11 years in jail, has NEVER had a job, is currently on home detention, with outstanding community work, on the dole, and regularly smoking drugs. he also has outstanding charges waiting to see a court room.
same parents, same house, same upbringing.

get off your soapbox.

'Must spread rep....'

BTW:
My old man ruled with an iron fist, I felt it quite a few times.

It was not pleasant!

So I chose not to use it on my kids...

[Smifffy]

I have people in my Family who were given the very same up bringing as I was.
Me? have a degree, worked professionally with youth, and in youth justice, work hard, etc etc.
brother? - does drugs, has spent 8 out the last 11 years in jail, has NEVER had a job, is currently on home detention, with outstanding community work, on the dole, and regularly smoking drugs. he also has outstanding charges waiting to see a court room.
same parents, same house, same upbringing.

get off your soapbox.

Any of those charges involve murder/rape or sexual connection with a minor?

There's right and wrong, and then there is simply fucked up.

[tigertim20]

Any of those charges involve murder/rape or sexual connection with a minor?

There's right and wrong, and then there is simply fucked up.

Im sure we could all make our own lists, arbitrarily defining crimes in order of least to most serious.
Im also sure there would be a fair degree of difference between all those lists.

You suggest that the behavior of an individual provides a window directly into their upbringing, and displays a clear picture of the quality of their parentage. This is not the case.
both nature AND nurture contribute to the product of an individuals life.
My example above demonstrates that. nurture was the same, but the nature defined our different outcomes.

It is not possible to draw conclusions (with any degree of reliable accuracy) about a persons parentage or upbringing by focusing explicitly on a behavior (let alone a single act) that the person has exhibited.

[Smifffy]

Im sure we could all make our own lists, arbitrarily defining crimes in order of least to most serious.
Im also sure there would be a fair degree of difference between all those lists.

You suggest that the behavior of an individual provides a window directly into their upbringing, and displays a clear picture of the quality of their parentage. This is not the case.
both nature AND nurture contribute to the product of an individuals life.
My example above demonstrates that. nurture was the same, but the nature defined our different outcomes.

It is not possible to draw conclusions (with any degree of reliable accuracy) about a persons parentage or upbringing by focusing explicitly on a behavior (let alone a single act) that the person has exhibited.

I also have a family member who has been to jail, and his brother a successful businessman. He went to jail as an adult and made his own decisions that got him there. When one is tried in the youth court, the parents/caregivers/whanau/pc weasel term du jour must shoulder some of the responsibility. I guarantee they've been receiving financial support from somewhere 'for his care'.

Your brother may very well be a lovely chap too, but he doesn't sound like someone I'd be keen to hang out with. I'm sure he'll be heartbroken to hear it as well.

[tigertim20]

Your brother may very well be a lovely chap too, l.

Nup. He is a lazy, foul tempered little asshole who is only happy when he is getting his own way. have a go at him for buying weed and piss with his dole money, and YOU'RE the biggest cunt on earth.
I can tolerate him on friendly terms for a day or so at a time. - such is his nature.
he's a cunt, but he is my brother and I love him.

[mashman]

Second chance to do what??
He is a waste of oxygen IMHO.

To join the human race.

[Brian d marge]

'Must spread rep....'

BTW:
My old man ruled with an iron fist, I felt it quite a few times.

It was not pleasant!

So I chose not to use it on my kids...

not the reason you joined the force I hope?

In my house " I AM the law" ( Judge dread , of two tone fame !)

Three strikes and you are out .....

( until I’m over ruled by the boss , she who must be obeyed ........)

I have two of the most pleasant easy care well manner kids one could hope for...


Kids, as do adults have to have boundary’s because, unfortunately with freedom , comes its mate responsibility ....

Now can we get back to an old fashioned lynchin ,,,,

NAIL EM UP I SAY !!!!

Stephen Grunfuttock the turd , aka Ludiditcus de minimis non curat praetor

[HenryDorsetCase]

not the reason you joined the force I hope?

In my house " I AM the law" ( Judge dread , of two tone fame !)

Three strikes and you are out .....

( until I’m over ruled by the boss , she who must be obeyed ........)

I have two of the most pleasant easy care well manner kids one could hope for...


Kids, as do adults have to have boundary’s because, unfortunately with freedom , comes its mate responsibility ....

Now can we get back to an old fashioned lynchin ,,,,

NAIL EM UP I SAY !!!!

Stephen Grunfuttock the turd , aka Ludiditcus de minimis non curat praetor

It's Dredd. Judge Dredd.

[pete376403]

I have people in my Family who were given the very same up bringing as I was.
Me? have a degree, worked professionally with youth, and in youth justice, work hard, etc etc.
brother? - does drugs, has spent 8 out the last 11 years in jail, has NEVER had a job, is currently on home detention, with outstanding community work, on the dole, and regularly smoking drugs. he also has outstanding charges waiting to see a court room.
same parents, same house, same upbringing.

get off your soapbox.

So which one of you is the exception - ie does a shitty upbringing result in shitty kids by default, with the good kid being the exception, or does the good upbringing result in good kids with the bad kid being the exception?

My own case, my brothers and I were raised in a manner that would probably result in court appearances and probably jail time for my parents, but all of us have turned out well, and raised good kids of our own.

[Brian d marge]

It's Dredd. Judge Dredd.

Sorry , your thinking of the wrong one !

Stephen

[Berries]

It's Dredd. Judge Dredd.

Classic Dread.

[onearmedbandit]

You suggest that the behavior of an individual provides a window directly into their upbringing, and displays a clear picture of the quality of their parentage. This is not the case.
both nature AND nurture contribute to the product of an individuals life.
My example above demonstrates that. nurture was the same, but the nature defined our different outcomes.

It is not possible to draw conclusions (with any degree of reliable accuracy) about a persons parentage or upbringing by focusing explicitly on a behavior (let alone a single act) that the person has exhibited.

Would it be safe to assume that from a well-balanced nurturing and encouraging environment if little Johnny started displaying signs of violence, anger etc mum and dad would seek guidance for him, whereas from a less caring environment the parents would not notice or if they did just put it down to Johnny rebelling? I realise that you are stating clearly the opposite from your own experience, but I'm willing to bet that a higher percentage of these offenders come from a 'neglected' childhood, per capita.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Sorry , your thinking of the wrong one !

Stephen

the goggles................ they do NOTHING!!!

[avgas]

I have people in my Family who were given the very same up bringing as I was.
Me? have a degree, worked professionally with youth, and in youth justice, work hard, etc etc.
brother? - does drugs, has spent 8 out the last 11 years in jail, has NEVER had a job, is currently on home detention, with outstanding community work, on the dole, and regularly smoking drugs. he also has outstanding charges waiting to see a court room.
same parents, same house, same upbringing.

get off your soapbox.

He sounds like he has done way more than you. Whats holding you back

[avgas]

From the Cottrell case report:

"The short-statured teenager was supported by several family members, one calling out "mama loves you'', another "take care, boy''."


From the Turangi case:

"His mother shouted to him, "Love you, my son," as he was led from the courtroom."

Really? I might be cynical, but I don't believe that these people even understand what love is. Easy to say in a courtroom, try showing it for the 16 years beforehand.

Depends.
Are retarded children beaten until they are retarded when they are young? Or are they born that way?

It has been scientifically proven that rapists and murderers etc usually have something different upstairs. Some change over time, some a naturally f'ed up.
Would you have the balls to kill your kid if you found out that they were "defective". The mum could genuinely love her son.