Safer Journeys for Motorcycling

[yungatart]

because real change is effected by people with passion for thier cause, which you obviously lack. Those of us that care are actually better off without those of your ilk as you will only succeed in doing more harm than good.

I see you are a relative newby here (2009 and 73 posts).
You'll not know Mstrs very well then. I suggest you do a search of his posts before you start spewing shit out your gob.

There's a few very passionate people on here, and he's one of them.

[Brian407]

There's a few very passionate people on here, and he's one of them.

As evidenced by his 'throwing hands in the air saying there's no point' approach. I'd say his passion has died, along with his libido.

Post counts and join dates mean nothing. Have a look at the number of 'guests' browsing at any given time, they usually far exceed the number of logged on members, and some of them have been browsing for a vey long time.

[yungatart]

I'd say his passion has died, along with his libido.

You are wrong, very wrong, on both counts, I can assure you

[Brian407]

More infromation than I needed to know, but thanks for sharing anyway. Do you actually have anything useful to contribute to this thread or are you just trying to get your post count up?

[Virago]

How to make friends and influence people...

[MSTRS:Me]

Reply if you want, or not, I dont care. I wont be responding to your taunts any further, I've got bigger fish to fry.

As YT says - you really have no idea.
I did the Safer Journeys workshop - what a fecking waste of time that was. EXCEPT one or two people actually got the hypocrisy of the ruling junta pointed out to them. By me. To the red-faced consternation of the cops seeded at every table. Still - didn't make any difference.
Letters full of questions/suggestions sent to local MPs, ministers of transport, ACC officials etc, on a whole variety of issues facing bikers - ignored or responded to with a condescending form reply that address NONE of my questions.
Letter after letter published in the local paper, trying to 'educate' the public to certain issues around ACC - that sometimes got interesting. But ultimately, changed nothing.
Been involved in meetings with Transit officials at the local level - very pleasant, but none of my concerns have been addressed.
Participated in protests, rides or otherwise, and organised some myself. We all know how effective those were.

Now, when you accuse the many on here who were just as (or even more) active as I of being 'apathetic and negative whingers' then you strike a nerve. And when I challenge you (twice) to actually put your hand up and take a turn at having another try on behalf of all bikers, you insult me further. You signed up to KB in 2009, if what you say you are able to do is so effective, why weren't you here doing it then?
FUCK YOU!

[yungatart]

I cant believe the pessimism and negativity of most of you....

Hitcher... Without doubt, you have to be the most apathetic individual I've ever encountered. Exactly the type of person the govt needs. The path of least resistance.

Un-fucken-believable. Can you see China from that hole in the sand you've buried your head in ?

If you cant beat em..... TRY FUCKEN HARDER !!

Says it all really, you are not the sort of person thats helpful to our community, you're just one more of the sheeple.

...As to the question about where was I in the past, my answer is quite simple "none of your effin business" !

Reply if you want, or not, I dont care. I wont be responding to your taunts any further, I've got bigger fish to fry.

.. Do you actually have anything useful to contribute to this thread or are you just trying to get your post count up?

Useful to contribute? Like the pearls of wisdom you have offered, you mean? (Examples of which I have quoted above, just to refresh your memory)

Now go and play nicely, Brian, there's a good boy...

[MSTRS:Me]

This old post of mine from mid-2009 (slightly paraphrased) fits real well about here...

But, of course, all the IQ-challenged, self-absorbed site homo habilii assume it is all about whinging and post counts. What these aforementioned low-IQ morons fail to realise is that yet again they have thrown away the opportunity to contribute to the subject in any meaningful way, instead preferring to point the finger of derision, mock any attempt to develop the original post and when pressed to 'put their money where their mouth is', simply resort to barely articulate personal insults.

[Brian407]

Useful to contribute? Like the pearls of wisdom you have offered, you mean? (Examples of which I have quoted above, just to refresh your memory)

Now go and play nicely, Brian, there's a good boy...

and your point is ????....

[yungatart]

I don't have one, anymore than you do.

[Brian407]

I don't have one, anymore than you do.

Ho Humm. You got that right, and the point I dont have is the one where's theres no point talking to you either.

[davereid]

Ho Humm. You got that right,

Brian you have been here 5 minutes, and managed to slag off some of the most effective people that NZ motorcycling has fighting for it.

The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.
-Herbert Spencer

[Virago]

Ho Humm. You got that right, and the point I dont have is the one where's theres no point talking to you either.

You're a fucking dickhead. You've got nothing to offer other than insults and judgements about people about which you know nothing.

You're the man for job, eh? Cool - fuck off and do it.

[avgas]

As ive said before, if you dont vote, and take every available opportunity to do so, then you have absolutely no right whatsoever to complain about what you get.

Because voting is the start and end of all democracy. And putting ticked paper in a box is the only way people "buy into" ideas

If thats the case give me a fucking dictatorship. At least then there won't be any lies involved.

Out of interest......have you paid for the rego on your bikes?

[caseye]

I'd love a 407, have a 406 and wouldn't have another car except the 407 if I could only afford one.
Now then Mr 407, you really ought to do some research before you go insulting people , any people and in particular the people you have so successfully managed to brush off as inconclusive , substantive and without a passion to do anything.
For your information YT and MSTRS are an unusual pairing who have repeatedly fought, by way of letters, face to face meetings with local council and ACC and yes even Govt ministers over many years to this day they do this in the hope that one day a person with enough clout will actually listen and at least open a door a crack.
Like me they were part of the AAG and then MAG NZ movements, unlike me they continue to lobby with some effect I might add and as motorcyclists they are two of the best ambassadors we've ever had.
They are also friends of mine and most of the people who have been in this thread , allowing you to hold court and pronounce sentence on them in such a profound and callous manner.
I find it hard to say these words without resorting to simply telling you to fuck off.
But here goes.
OK, so you say that you have more effective methods and that you do/can work smarter, the very people you have just consigned to the scrap heap would hold you dear to their hearts if you'd just enlighten them as to how to do this and if you could truly produce results they'd hold you up as a shining light and perhaps even ordain you as a saint.
Most of the people who have so far frequented this thread are either ex protesters or continue to be protesters, none of us are the same and we all do things in our own ways, the only common thing amongst us is our passion for our motorcycling and the undying will to fight to the bitter end. Something that I fear you don't have.
Words on a forum are easy.
if you have truly been around KB since 2009 and if you have followed the threads which by your own words, concern you then you should recognise the names of the people you see here in this thread and you should know that they've never given up and like me and others , also posting here have made huge financial and time concessions to ride to protests to lobby ministers and local Govt etc etc.
I've not yet told you to FUCK OFF butt believe me I'm close.
So now I'll ask you to present a cognitive plan that will get us in front of the people who matter and I promise you that these very people of who you have shown such great disdain will in fact follow you! to hell and back without doing as so many here do do, that is to say start bitching and moaning about not being able to come cause of work or this or that they'd give the time as they have always done and they'd die if it meant other motorcyclists got a fair go.
Are you getting my drift yet???
YT, MSTRS, I've spoken for you here, I'm damn sure if this turkey could do it, that you both do as I've said, as would I and ol Katman and ol Hitcher and everyone else here who knows what the alternatives are.
Love you guys, have and would, ride into Hell with you.