Safer Journeys for Motorcycling

[NONONO]

Well....
We have 3 years, we also have the possibility (and I do mean possibility) of generating a non partisan
movement, which could be (and I do mean could be) supported by all the clans.
"NZ Riders Are Voters Too".
If only we could agree on what are aims are.

[Scuba_Steve]

It's the contempt with which New Zealand has treated the concept that fucks me off. It was never meant to be a "fuck you Jack, it's my right to act as stupidly as I please" potion.

do you have some fucked up idea that NZ is one big country full of sadists who enjoy nothing more than inflicting massive pain to themselves???
No-one I know of thinks ACC is a right to "act stupidly", nor do they sit there & go "I would do this except for the cost if I were to fuck up", no they'll sit there & go "I would do this except for the pain I would inflict on myself should I fuck up"
You must either work in Govt or be one hell of a Govt bum boy to think it's all about $$$. It's pain that stops us doing stupid shit, not financial penalties, or higher ACC costs, Pain. Plain, simple, good old fashion pain!!!

[Fatt Max]

Well....
We have 3 years, we also have the possibility (and I do mean possibility) of generating a non partisan
movement, which could be (and I do mean could be) supported by all the clans.
"NZ Riders Are Voters Too".
If only we could agree on what are aims are.

Always believed RAV was the way to go because it affected voting opinion on policy that the parties and pollies could be challenged on and held accountable for.

Always believed that this wpuld be the closest to a 'Biker Party" we could get without attracting the 'single issue party' criticism.

Always believed that motorcyclists basically want a fair go out there but our ability to demonstrate our own safety, awareness and common sense is paramount.

To be a voice we need to be unified and that is accepting key points that personally we may disagree with.

A leading voice to pull this together and us as a community to take our own downfalls on the chin and make the neccessary steps to corrrect them.

I see it as the old chesnut 'Those that live in greenhouses should'nt throw stones' deal.

Its a collaboration of ideas and ideals to represent the community.

MOTO NZ do NOT represent the community, their shot has been had and they have messed up the duvet, so they can feck off

Take personal crap out of the equasion and fight the communal battles, it really is the only way. Then votes who are also riders wil have a voice.

And I will be right there mate, with great big bells hanging off my danglies......

[Conquiztador]

Well....
We have 3 years, we also have the possibility (and I do mean possibility) of generating a non partisan
movement, which could be (and I do mean could be) supported by all the clans.
"NZ Riders Are Voters Too".
If only we could agree on what are aims are.

And the reason for hypotetically not starting a political party is?

[AD345]

And the reason for hypotetically not starting a political party is?

No-one would join

Less would vote for it

[NONONO]

Think we looked at this, Mark???
But hey NZ RIDERS ARE VOTERS TOO PARTY?
Think one of the reasons is that there are bikers with deeply held political beliefs (left and right) who are not about to abandon them.
Also unlikely to take votes from the current incumbents.
Non partisan eh?
But as I said, Hey.

Safer Roads.
Safer Riding.
Fairer Deal.

[Conquiztador]

No-one would join

Less would vote for it

You base that on...?

[AD345]

You base that on...?

Single issue party attempts in the past

[GrayWolf]

do you have some fucked up idea that NZ is one big country full of sadists who enjoy nothing more than inflicting massive pain to themselves???
No-one I know of thinks ACC is a right to "act stupidly", nor do they sit there & go "I would do this except for the cost if I were to fuck up", no they'll sit there & go "I would do this except for the pain I would inflict on myself should I fuck up"
You must either work in Govt or be one hell of a Govt bum boy to think it's all about $$$. It's pain that stops us doing stupid shit, not financial penalties, or higher ACC costs, Pain. Plain, simple, good old fashion pain!!!

Errrrr blimey mate, how wrong can you be? Look at every rugby ground in the country, there is your country full of sadists who think ACC is a 'carte blanch' to act stupidly and get pain inflicted upon them. I used to work as a rehab assistant with a Physiotherapist and the amount of work days lost to rugby injuries is fantastic to say the least.
To the Govt it IS about the dollars, as usual we are a high profile minority they can 'crucify' without upsetting the great unwashed masses. Now lets imagine if all those clubs and players suddenly had to fork out the same levy every motorcyclist has to, after all if you look at it statisticaly they have a higher chance of regular minor injury than we do. Also to put it into a perspective most can 'understand' if you take a Jonah Lomu and a Case Mewes sized players at full impact in a head on tackle? It has the same impact level on the human body as running into a brick wall at 20kph.
The fear of pain is not what stops us doing things (admittedly unless it is a high risk manouver, and even then???) If we as a species had that reflex fully developed, we wouldnt smoke, drink, fight, ride bikes, climb ladders............
Guess that makes me a Govt 'bum boy' in your mind, as a 'fat bottomed boy' at least the ride is comfortable

[Hitcher]

Well....
We have 3 years, we also have the possibility (and I do mean possibility) of generating a non partisan
movement, which could be (and I do mean could be) supported by all the clans.
"NZ Riders Are Voters Too".
If only we could agree on what are aims are.

Effort would be better spent infiltrating the existing political parties and getting them on song. Good heavens, some parties are lame enough to imagine a world where the single-most pressing issue is GST on fresh fruit and vegetables. Imagine what they could do with a real issue supported by a significant swathe of the electorate.

[Fatt Max]

Think we looked at this, Mark???
But hey NZ RIDERS ARE VOTERS TOO PARTY?
Think one of the reasons is that there are bikers with deeply held political beliefs (left and right) who are not about to abandon them.
Also unlikely to take votes from the current incumbents.
Non partisan eh?
But as I said, Hey.

Safer Roads.
Safer Riding.
Fairer Deal.

Mate
The party was looked at but a single issue party holds no weight (unlike my pants)
Riders are Voters is more of a lobby / protest / action movement based on basic principles and a direct message
Pollies are liars and cheats
Bikers / motorcyclists need to be seen to matter, so lets see if we can matter
A single loud voice is much harder to ignore than a load of low ones arguing the toss
Accept the changes we have to make, have the strength to change them then hit the bastards full on
100,000 or so registered bikers in NZ, that is a number that should not be ignored
But we MUST get the house in order across all angles. Then and only then will we have unity and a voice
Scoring points and bikering over shite wil not cut it
But hey, as I've been told so many times, what the f**k do I know.......

[NONONO]

Still smiling....

Or as well as, possibly.
Do both, one feeds the other, cross party support?

[Conquiztador]

Still smiling....

Or as well as, possibly.
Do both, one feeds the other, cross party support?

I like!
- Start a Biker Party
- Infiltrate other political parties
- Start a Non Partisan Movement

Now if we could find a cause we could all agree on... Shit! Just as I was getting all excited

[Brian d marge]

Effort would be better spent infiltrating the existing political parties and getting them on song. Good heavens, some parties are lame enough to imagine a world where the single-most pressing issue is GST on fresh fruit and vegetables. Imagine what they could do with a real issue supported by a significant swathe of the electorate.

Some of them oldies ride bikes, we need to send an undercover agent into the inner sanctum of "greypower" now there’s a voting block .....

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

do you have some fucked up idea that NZ is one big country full of sadists who enjoy nothing more than inflicting massive pain to themselves???
No-one I know of thinks ACC is a right to "act stupidly", nor do they sit there & go "I would do this except for the cost if I were to fuck up", no they'll sit there & go "I would do this except for the pain I would inflict on myself should I fuck up"
You must either work in Govt or be one hell of a Govt bum boy to think it's all about $$$. It's pain that stops us doing stupid shit, not financial penalties, or higher ACC costs, Pain. Plain, simple, good old fashion pain!!!

Some actually like it ..oorr eerr titter ye NOT

Stephen