Safer Journeys for Motorcycling

[pritch]

A significant number of Ulysses members are already in Grey Power.

There are undoubtedly people on KB who could join Grey Power. I walk past their rooms about once a week but have never been tempted to climb the stairs. I've always wondered why Grey Power had their rooms upstairs, considering this may limit access for some prospective members.


Then again the bordello almost right next door might be the attraction? Hmmmm might have to consider joining.

[Hitcher]

So in your words, where does this leave Kiwibiker?

Kiwi Biker isn't an organisation. It's a forum where people with a common interest can share ideas and experiences. It's a way people can also set up opportunities to meet in reality. This can include social interactions, race meetings, sales and business opportunities, and political events like the Bikoi. Remember that other forums and networks contributed to the Bikoi's success; it didn't all happen through this forum.

Kiwi Biker isn't going to do anything. That's the job of the people who post here. There's no leadership group or secretariat.

[bikaholic]

Kiwi Biker isn't an organisation. It's a forum where people with a common interest can share ideas and experiences. It's a way people can also set up opportunities to meet in reality. This can include social interactions, race meetings, sales and business opportunities, and political events like the Bikoi. Remember that other forums and networks contributed to the Bikoi's success; it didn't all happen through this forum.

Kiwi Biker isn't going to do anything. That's the job of the people who post here. There's no leadership group or secretariat.

Exactly, fee to join (donation will be accepted), no leader, open to all, no committee, no constitution, no agenda, no actions.
Anyone who really wants to champion a cause will do it in a club, community etc with the above attributes, or yeah, most of those are financial as well.
Which really spells out alot doesn,t it.

[Conquiztador]

Exactly, fee to join (donation will be accepted), no leader, open to all, no committee, no constitution, no agenda, no actions.
Anyone who really wants to champion a cause will do it in a club, community etc with the above attributes, or yeah, most of those are financial as well.
Which really spells out alot doesn,t it.

Hmmmm....Not sure where you are going with this? KB is a forum on the net. That is it. Nothing more. And apart from a few threads that focus on issues we as bikers face with legislation, increasing levies, cheese cutters etc, the majority on here is about life as a biker. Jokes, technical, ride reports, help with bike issues, new gear, etc. etc.

[bikaholic]

Merely pointing out to those that want some traction and detail on issues, that KB has no structure, and has to be done elsewhwere.

[Brian d marge]

Play semantics as much as you like, it doesnt alter the fact that a significant number of Uylsses members are also members of grey power, but as Uysses are mostly apolitical then i guess they're just in it for the discounts.

You cannot be apolitical in today’s environment

actually you can , they are called sheep and deserve everything they get , the bad thing is , the rest of us suffer for the apathy of others ,

So at least half or more of Ulysses are in greypower ? no, thought not , but its that size of voting block we need. I don’t care if its MAG , sag ,, wag,,,, "you list these" Moto nz .. DestotoNz ... one voice, one message . simple and the votes to back the voice up.

So , imagine, I am the president of "you list these" by talking with the other groups , we draw up a list of things we don’t like, then we issue a notice to members saying " you list these" recommends you vote for these people based on what we want and the performance/stance of the politician , Then with that we "side with " greypower as a whole ( or a group with similar numbers ), its not just about bike , its a wider community thing as well . ( Granny does her back in lifting the turkey , needs a help getting to the physio.. sorry luv not covered under ACC!, ,,, see what i am getting at , and if it IS privatised , well look at what happening in Christchurch for a taste of what will be .
snip ;
Australian-based IAG, which is hoping to buy AMI and claims to be the largest general insurer in New Zealand, has seen record claims from floods and storms in Australia and earthquakes in New Zealand force it to raise reinsurance cover to up to A$4.7 billion ($6.2 billion) from A$4.1b a year ago.

One wonders if this is through sound investment alone ???


Stephen

until we have the numbers and a united voice its .... ( insert your own metaphor here)

[StoneY]

So , imagine, I am the president of "you list these" by talking with the other groups , we draw up a list of things we don’t like, then we issue a notice to members saying " you list these" ..............

Been tried many times mate, and in fact there are two such projects in the wind right now! And both are slowing to a crawl, as they recieve promises of support and membership...and nothing happens.

BRONZ is campaigning to build its Federation (that is exactly what you are suggesting pretty much) and a good few groups have committed to it...but not nearly enough yet!

Ulysses created the National Forum of Motorcycle Clubs (and they lobbied MOTO NZ for the TEXT DUNG service)
MAG, BRONZ, Ulysses, MNZ and a few other groups attended the first meetings but its yet another deafening silence since.....

I have been witness and present at both groups meetings, and you know what?
The old adage applies... try get any of them to agree on ANYTHING!
There are always a few who just cannot compromise on their own personal agenda...(like ME!)

Since MAG's leadership changes I am unsure how active they are currently, but I do keep in email contact with Dom and a few of the leaders of MAG.
I hope they (MAG) grow and prosper, as should the BRONZ Federation, but unless both public bikers and organised groups show some cohesion, this sort of level of national representation is a fucking pipe dream.

As I now am just another member of BRONZ I may be out of the loop and missing any progress being made on these fronts, but the silence is pretty deafening IMO (at the member level anyway)

[Brian d marge]

Been tried many times mate, and in fact there are two such projects in the wind right now! And both are slowing to a crawl, as they recieve promises of support and membership...and nothing happens.

BRONZ is campaigning to build its Federation (that is exactly what you are suggesting pretty much) and a good few groups have committed to it...but not nearly enough yet!

Ulysses created the National Forum of Motorcycle Clubs (and they lobbied MOTO NZ for the TEXT DUNG service)
MAG, BRONZ, Ulysses, MNZ and a few other groups attended the first meetings but its yet another deafening silence since.....

I have been witness and present at both groups meetings, and you know what?
The old adage applies... try get any of them to agree on ANYTHING!
There are always a few who just cannot compromise on their own personal agenda...(like ME!)

Since MAG's leadership changes I am unsure how active they are currently, but I do keep in email contact with Dom and a few of the leaders of MAG.
I hope they (MAG) grow and prosper, as should the BRONZ Federation, but unless both public bikers and organised groups show some cohesion, this sort of level of national representation is a fucking pipe dream.

As I now am just another member of BRONZ I may be out of the loop and missing any progress being made on these fronts, but the silence is pretty deafening IMO (at the member level anyway)

Sadly I have been there( different group ) before , So , I buggered off,

Sadly its a western trait , to be individualistic , and Sometime opinion , agendas get in the way ( its also the fault of the chairman / listener who man not be making everyone feel like they have been listened to ....

Apathy , nothing ever good came from it ,
Stephen

[martybabe]

Some of the views in this thread have merit, actually a lot of them have merit but until we are united on the issues and speak and act in unison against the policies that affect us in a negative way we will forever be the 'vultures in the tree'.

We really could be a force to be reckoned with against the Evil doers that want to legislate us off the road but indecision, disagreements, apathy and constant debate are the foes we need to overcome first.

What are we gona do now?

[StoneY]

And foul language just show you to up as angry and un postive looks nasty

I will accept foul language from the biker fraternity, long before I accept your spelling, grammar or use of syntax.

[NONONO]

Luv the video of the vultures, and yes , seems like where we are.
So lets have a review.
Moto-NZ, Government funded, doing what was suspected they would do. This despite the attempts of some to bring them to some understanding of what was needed.
MNZ. Sports related, not an issue for a lot of people.
Ulysses, concerned with Ulysses. Over 40? Member? Right enough. Not interested in anything else. And why would they be? No fault there.
BRONZ. More contentious, but again, no probs.
Auckland...Hmmmm. Ride Right Ride Safe. Toy run, Blood Run. Numbers? Probably back down to pre Bikoi levels (26)
Wellington. Riffer, doing a blazing job, have no idea bout paid up members. But again considering the number of bikers, miniscule. But in terms of making a difference in Wellington, can't fault them.
MAG-NZ, on hold.

So, where are we? This is It?

[Katman]

So, where are we? This is It?

Yes, it looks like Katman's Kampaign is the only route forward.

[Scuba_Steve]

Yes, it looks like Katman's Kampaign is the only route forward.

you need to have 3 words like Katman's Kampaign for Karefulness this way people can easily remember it in an acronym, the "KKK" people are sure to remember that

[Fatt Max]

Ok then sweethearts...

Yeah yeah yeah, blah blah blah.......

So, do I detect the need for the protest movement to kick off again?

Is it more relevenat to challenge the direction of BRONZ so that we can move on with some serious action rather than start a new group?

I'm not the man to lead because I have been told many times that I an a stupid cunt with no idea who rides a 250cc and is, well a stupid cunt....

Tell you what though, keen not to let this go.......and I will support it, even if I am a stupid c....well, you know....

So......

[Conquiztador]

Ok then sweethearts...

Yeah yeah yeah, blah blah blah.......

So, do I detect the need for the protest movement to kick off again?

Is it more relevenat to challenge the direction of BRONZ so that we can move on with some serious action rather than start a new group?

I'm not the man to lead because I have been told many times that I an a stupid cunt with no idea who rides a 250cc and is, well a stupid cunt....

Tell you what though, keen not to let this go.......and I will support it, even if I am a stupid c....well, you know....

So......

Before starting a new organisation/getting involved with a current one I think the first thing that needs to be done is decide on what the issue is and get all to agree... Hmmm, have we been here before??