More median barriers requested

[huff3r]

... requested by Clive Matthew-Wilson, editor of the car review website dogandlemon.com.

Car review website? That's a bit of a rich title for that useless piece of writing. It's like the tabloid of car reviews, full of opinion and needless naysaying. No surprise he would be the type to make comments like those in the article, and he probably also blames the lack of protection on a motorcycle in an incident with a WRB on the motorcycle itself. 1 out of 5 stars for survivability or some garbage like that.

[MSTRS:Me]

Very well put, and bound to make him think, but remember one thing. You are writing to a member of the AUTOMOBILE Association, and to him Automobiles have more than two wheels. For the most part they dont give a flying fark about motorcyclists because most of their paid up members are car owners and it's thier interests they're charged with looking after. Sure, some motorcyclists are members of the AA, but the majority of members are car owners, as is evidenced by the number of bike articles that appear in thier mag. Maybe 2 a year if were lucky.

Correct. The attitude is "I'm all right, Jack. The barrier/s will save me." is prevalent.
Now - if 'we' could get an article in their magazine with a picture of a WRB and a diced motorcyclist, then a picture of a covered WRB (replace pictures with Armco/posts if you like) with the comment "This would have saved the biker"...
Imagine the howls...but that would be worth 20 years of the current method/s of trying to get change.

[cs363]

Does anyone have an email addy for the Simon Lambourne character?

His quotes sounds sensible and he doesn't appear to mention cheese cutters.

Simon Lambourne | Public Affairs Manager
T. +64 9 966 8608 M. +64 21 659 029
E. slambourne@aa.co.nz

[Conquiztador]

I would give the man the benefit of a doubt. He did give me the link to the report re barriers and bikes, and he also tells me that he does not want wire barriers w/o covers! (see my post #13 here) And if you have never read the report before, please follow the link.

[scumdog]

Knowing the stupidity of politicians, it doesn't surprise me that these will become more and more common on NZ roads. My mum (who works as a nurse) has personally seen 2 motorcyclists decapitated by these.

ONE dead from hitting them in NZ that I know of, I'd gladly stand corrected if somebody can outline the particulars of the second one. (Talking about cheese-cutters here)

But has anybody got the figures of bikers killed by cars crossing the centreline of the road?

BTW: Of the last three fatals I attended involving motorcyclists that died two of the bikes crossed the centre-line and hit oncoming vehicles and one crossed the centre-line and the rider died after hitting the rocks and fence on the other side of the road. ("Your experience may differ")

(I'll try to remember the circumstances of any other crashes but the above three are the first that came to mind).

[SMOKEU]

ONE dead from hitting them in NZ that I know of, I'd gladly stand corrected if somebody can outline the particulars of the second one. (Talking about cheese-cutters here)

I never said it was in NZ.

[scumdog]

I never said it was in NZ.

I know.

But why clutter up the thread with irrelevant 'facts' from other countries??

[SMOKEU]

I know.

But why clutter up the thread with irrelevant 'facts' from other countries??

I was merely making conversation in order to back up the claims of the OP.

[bogan]

ONE dead from hitting them in NZ that I know of, I'd gladly stand corrected if somebody can outline the particulars of the second one. (Talking about cheese-cutters here)

But has anybody got the figures of bikers killed by cars crossing the centreline of the road?

BTW: Of the last three fatals I attended involving motorcyclists that died two of the bikes crossed the centre-line and hit oncoming vehicles and one crossed the centre-line and the rider died after hitting the rocks and fence on the other side of the road. ("Your experience may differ")

(I'll try to remember the circumstances of any other crashes but the above three are the first that came to mind).

Not really apples with apples is it. Much more of NZ is non-wrb, so you'd expect much more centerline-cross fatalities than WRB fatalities for that reason alone. And how many bikers 'run on' into the opposing lane which is luckily clear of traffic, and get away with it, which they would not with WRBs.

[Brian407]

BTW: Of the last three fatals I attended involving motorcyclists that died .

As apposed to the fatals you attended where nobody died..... Ummmm...... can I add that to my list of 'interesting quotes'?

[caspernz]

Having seen an oncoming car tag the barrier around the waterfront stretch between Pukerua Bay and Paekakariki (Wellington area) some years back....well, I still prefer a concrete barrier, but the wire rope did the job.

Agree any new central barriers should be solid concrete or armco.

[scumdog]

As apposed to the fatals you attended where nobody died..... Ummmm...... can I add that to my list of 'interesting quotes'?

Ahem, I WAS trying to emphasise that said fatals involved MOTORCYCLISTS. (as opposed to 'cage' drivers).

Some drongos may not have otherwise picked up that point...

[scumdog]

Having seen an oncoming car tag the barrier around the waterfront stretch between Pukerua Bay and Paekakariki (Wellington area) some years back....well, I still prefer a concrete barrier, but the wire rope did the job.

Agree any new central barriers should be solid concrete or armco.

Yep, movable concrete barriers would be the go.

[actungbaby]

They should really call for tougher licensing tests and having to re-sit tests after you have lost your license for danger use of motor vehicle which should be even tougher than getting your license

gee i thought they did have to resit there tests bit daft if they dont , how about if in thery this whould be cool

If you sit and do advanded rider training u get discount of you acc levvys or rego costs say like 50 dollars per year

And they but some Money they get from motorcycle acc levvys into funding rider training /car driving centres
Am not sure we have enough bikers to warrent just bike training and no need really to have seprate

Chould Have Bikes fitted with out riggers for 100kph emergency breaking tests

What do others think dumb idea ?

[BMWST?]

Having seen an oncoming car tag the barrier around the waterfront stretch between Pukerua Bay and Paekakariki (Wellington area) some years back....well, I still prefer a concrete barrier, but the wire rope did the job.

Agree any new central barriers should be solid concrete or armco.

there is not always room for concrete or armco,the wrb are very thin,that is why wrb are used along the paekak.pukerua bay imho.