Safer Journeys for Motorcycling

[Scuba_Steve]

Word of warning.......

Don't expect pistol whipping, butt stroking, or slashing and thrusting to save your arse if the opposition has guns and ammunition.

You say that but there is a reason the military keeps theses techniques round

LMFAO have to admit Steve you are right, "BUTT STROKING" would get you a long way with some polititians..... Are you volunteering?

Im far from the brown-nosing type, I think they'd object to me stroking their butts with flails

[swbarnett]

I'll try to spell it out for you........

There is a huge number of motorcycle accidents that are caused through either stupidity, incompetance or inattention on the part of the motorcyclist.

In absolute numbers maybe. When it comes to percentage of kms ridden not nearly as much.

Due to the nature of our increased vulnerability those accidents are made plainly noticeable to the general public.

It's not prejudice, it's fact.

If we set about addressing those accidents that need never have happened we'd be well on the way to fixing the problem.

You're the most prejudice one of all. The vast majority of kms ridden every year are without incident. What people see, yourself included, is the few riders that get in to trouble and extrapolate that to all but the most sedate. Just because someone rides in a "dangerous manner" as you would see it does not mean they are destined to have an accident. The way we're riding is not the biggest problem when it comes to public perception. It's the fact that most people look at bikes as dangerous because they just can't undrestand why someone would elect to forgo the protection of a metal cage. Society has become far too safetly conscious.

If you had your way we would all confom to the expectations of the rest of society before those expectations are imposed upon us. Well, guess what? Everybody that has ever pushed the envelope (people like Galileo Galilei, Thomas Edison and Richard Branson) has refused to conform. If we all confirm all we do is stagnate and remove all joy from life.

[Katman]

In absolute numbers maybe. When if comes to percentage of kms ridden not nearly as much.


You're the most prejudice one of all. The vast majority of kms ridden every year are without incident? What people see, yourself included, is the few riders that get in to trouble and extrapolate that to all but the most sedate. Just because someone rides in a "dangerous manner" as you would see it does not mean they are destined to have an accident. The way we're riding is not the biggest problem when it comes to public perception. It's the fact that most people look at bikes as dangerous because they just can't undrestand why someone would elect to forgo the protection of a metal cage. Society has become far too safetly conscious.

If you had your way we would all confom to the expectations of the rest of society before those expectations are imposed upon us. Well, guess what? Everybody that has ever pushed the envelope (people like Galileo Galilei, Thomas Edison and Richard Branson) has refused to conform. If we all confirm all we do is stagnate and remove all joy from life.

Sounds like a challenge to me.

I'll stick to trying to improve the general attitude and conscience of motorcyclists while you stick to trying to change the general publics perception and opinion of motorcyclists.

Lets see who gets the furtherest.

'Cos the reality is that one of them's got to change, otherwise we're in the fuckin' shit.

[avgas]

Did I forget Ego Pumping?

[Conquiztador]

Sounds like a challenge to me.

I'll stick to trying to improve the general attitude and conscience of motorcyclists while you stick to trying to change the general publics perception and opinion of motorcyclists.

Lets see who gets the furtherest.

'Cos the reality is that one of them's got to change, otherwise we're in the fuckin' shit.

swbarnetts posting put in words something to me that I have been battling with for some time. Bikers are not brown nosed ass lickers who want to conform and have the acceptance of society. We want to ride bikes, we want to take risks and we want to have the right to put our self in danger, and at times we loose. But we know that it is the price we might have to pay. We have the right to do all this and we do not need someone to put rules in place to restrict our choices.

I have been contemplating a movement, perhaps a political one, to push for what many of us stand for. Why I have not gone any further is that I have no wish or intention to play by the rules society is dictating. And therefore I realise that I would only get a few to follow. The Katmans of this world would never agree to what I consider would be the message. And so the most probable outcome will be a FTW one.

[Brian d marge]

One good thing about all off this

It doesnt consern me !!! hhahahahahaha sux to be u !

I ll fly in to NZ , march 22nd , ( business and a few single malts in Pohara )

but I am commited to giving Skumdog or Rustcat at least 100 dollars PLUS another hundy for donuts

photos provided of course

mite take a touch of planning , as the poor man with the RED flad will have to sprint a bit

BUT , I hopefully will

A; give popo donuts
B; make someone think obout speeding and that its revenue gathering ( 18 dead , this year evenb though we stamped upon speed and alkeaholl)
c, Nz dollars arent worth shit

Stephen

whishing he COULD loft the front , since 1884

[Brian d marge]

swbarnetts posting put in words something to me that I have been battling with for some time. Bikers are not brown nosed ass lickers who want to conform and have the acceptance of society. We want to ride bikes, we want to take risks and we want to have the right to put our self in danger, and at times we loose. But we know that it is the price we might have to pay. We have the right to do all this and we do not need someone to put rules in place to restrict our choices.

I have been contemplating a movement, perhaps a political one, to push for what many of us stand for. Why I have not gone any further is that I have no wish or intention to play by the rules society is dictating. And therefore I realise that I would only get a few to follow. The Katmans of this world would never agree to what I consider would be the message. And so the most probable outcome will be a FTW one.

I think you and Katman are on the same page , but one does not know it

Having been a dr , for many a few years .... I can see ( and agree with ktman ) . But i fly through traffic and I speed and I fuck up , but I try not to based on ..; experience , Training and good old common sence

the shit heads in power are forced into the decisions based pressure to repay loans , they are just looking for money ...simple , aint nothing to do with u or me , just money

4 mil peps at 5% risk , steady return on investment, thats all it boils down to ( and its a society I DO NOT WANT TO BE A PART OFF)

Stephen

[Maha]

''we want to take risks and we want to have the right to put our self in danger, and at times we loose''

I would rather you didn't lump me in with the we analogy.

[Katman]

swbarnetts posting put in words something to me that I have been battling with for some time. Bikers are not brown nosed ass lickers who want to conform and have the acceptance of society. We want to ride bikes, we want to take risks and we want to have the right to put our self in danger, and at times we loose. But we know that it is the price we might have to pay. We have the right to do all this and we do not need someone to put rules in place to restrict our choices.

Yeah, that attitude's going to get you a long way.

[Conquiztador]

''we want to take risks and we want to have the right to put our self in danger, and at times we loose''

I would rather you didn't lump me in with the we analogy.

If you have NEVER taken a risk, if you have NEVER been in a dangerous situation, and if you have NEVER crashed or had an injury from bike riding you are allowed to be excluded. Personally I know no biker who never had his/her heart racing and adrenaline flowing from something he/she has done on his/her bike. Surely that is one of the reasons we ride? Or perhaps you are right, perhaps nobody else than me rides for these reasons? (Clearly there is also other reasons I ride) If all that is removed as a result of legislation and policing then I will go back to hang-gliding.

[Maha]

If you have NEVER taken a risk, if you have NEVER been in a dangerous situation, and if you have NEVER crashed or had an injury from bike riding you are allowed to be excluded. Personally I know no biker who never had his/her heart racing and adrenaline flowing from something he/she has done on his/her bike. Surely that is one of the reasons we ride? Or perhaps you are right, perhaps nobody else than me rides for these reasons? (Clearly there is also other reasons I ride) If all that is removed as a result of legislation and policing then I will go back to hang-gliding.

Its the term 'we want to' that I take issue with....I never want to be in any of those situations...yes they happen from time to time but not because I want them too, thats just a rediculous thing to say.

[Scuba_Steve]

Its the term 'we want to' that I take issue with....I never want to be in any of those situations...yes they happen from time to time but not because I want them too, thats just a rediculous thing to say.

do you not want to ride a bike??? that is (relatively) a risky form of travel, relatively dangerous, & bike vs something we're gonna lose. Im somewhat with Conquiztador on this, not only are bikes (relatively) dangerous, risky etc but not many (if any) buy bike's for a slow sunday puttu along, especially in the "sports", "adventure", or "dirt" genre's. We buy them for a bit of fun. & for people that don't, well, maybee it's time to look at a Prius.

[Conquiztador]

Its the term 'we want to' that I take issue with....I never want to be in any of those situations...yes they happen from time to time but not because I want them too, thats just a rediculous thing to say.

And that is why any ambition to get bikers to unite and work together on common issues will sadly always fail. We are too individual, and things I take for granted are not shared by others. But at the same time, things that others would advocate are ones I would never agree on.

To state that it is rediculous for me to state that I on purpose take risks while riding, is a rediculous statement.

[Maha]

do you not want to ride a bike???

Not necessarily, its something that I enjoy doing when the oppotunity is presented.

[Maha]

To state that it is rediculous for me to state that I on purpose take risks while riding, is a rediculous statement.

Where did I say that?
You are the one that used the words ''we want to'' not me.

Now you're being a dickhead.