Safer Journeys for Motorcycling

[avgas]

One good thing about all off this

It doesnt consern me !!! hhahahahahaha sux to be u !

I ll fly in to NZ , march 22nd , ( business and a few single malts in Pohara )

but I am commited to giving Skumdog or Rustcat at least 100 dollars PLUS another hundy for donuts

photos provided of course

mite take a touch of planning , as the poor man with the RED flad will have to sprint a bit

BUT , I hopefully will

A; give popo donuts
B; make someone think obout speeding and that its revenue gathering ( 18 dead , this year evenb though we stamped upon speed and alkeaholl)
c, Nz dollars arent worth shit

Stephen

whishing he COULD loft the front , since 1884

When you do. Start a thread. We need a rebel thread on this forum........its getting boring here.
We need a thread with pictures of tickets, speed camera photos..........general naughty stuff.
Sometimes we get so caught up in the "its-too-dangerous" we forget that deep down we all have a little hoon in us. Even Katman got a ticket for having a bit of fun.

[riffer]

Sometimes we get so caught up in the "its-too-dangerous" we forget that deep down we all have a little hoon in us. Even Katman got a ticket for having a bit of fun.

Very true mate. I just got the "you're a potential murderer" letter from NZTA in the mail over Christmas. Scary how quick those demerits add up. I need to be good until May now or its walkies time for me.

[Owl]

Even Katman got a ticket for having a bit of fun.

How is that possible? Katman foresees all potential issues!

[Stirts]

We need a thread with pictures of tickets, speed camera photos..........general naughty stuff.

Now that's just naughty! Would LOVE to see some speed camera photos, bet some of them would be farking funny.

Very true mate. I just got the "you're a potential murderer" letter from NZTA in the mail over Christmas. Scary how quick those demerits add up. I need to be good until May now or its walkies time for me.

What a shit Christmas present!

[Conquiztador]

Now you're being a dickhead.

Thanks for bringing this down to the KB expected level. There was a second I actually was thinking that we were discussing our different view on this issue.

[MSTRS:Me]

Thanks for bringing this down to the KB expected level. There was a second I actually was thinking that we were discussing our different view on this issue.

What did you expect?
It's NOT a discussion, when someone makes a sweeping statement that gives the impression that all motorcyclists do it for the same reason and want the same things, is it?

[Maha]

Thanks for bringing this down to the KB expected level. There was a second I actually was thinking that we were discussing our different view on this issue.

My view on this issue is specifics and your view is generalizing...what more is there to discuss?

[Conquiztador]

I take this posting is what you, MSTRS, have an issue with:

swbarnetts posting put in words something to me that I have been battling with for some time. Bikers are not brown nosed ass lickers who want to conform and have the acceptance of society. We want to ride bikes, we want to take risks and we want to have the right to put our self in danger, and at times we loose. But we know that it is the price we might have to pay. We have the right to do all this and we do not need someone to put rules in place to restrict our choices.

I have been contemplating a movement, perhaps a political one, to push for what many of us stand for. Why I have not gone any further is that I have no wish or intention to play by the rules society is dictating. And therefore I realise that I would only get a few to follow. The Katmans of this world would never agree to what I consider would be the message. And so the most probable outcome will be a FTW one.

What did you expect?
It's NOT a discussion, when someone makes a sweeping statement that gives the impression that all motorcyclists do it for the same reason and want the same things, is it?

If you read the whole posting you see that I in it clearly state that I realise that not all would agree with me.
Yes, foolishly perhaps, I did consider it a discussion; I had made a statement that I would get/got replies to. I then took the posters views in to consideration and again replied. That, in my ignorance, created a discussion.

Perhaps clarification is in place: I am sure that one of the reasons all (or 90% of us) ride is the freedom it allow us to make decisions. At times we make a decision to live a little dangerously. BUT if you do not want that, then YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE THE DECISION NOT TO. That is in the end all I am here trying to say; I would never agree on a stance where all our choices how we ride are taken away from us. Someone dictating what colour riding gear, what colour bike, the size of bike, the max hp, the max speed it can reach, times of day I can ride, roads I can ride etc. It is where we are funnelled. And I for one will not comply when this is in place.

[MSTRS:Me]

I take this posting is what you, MSTRS, have an issue with:

I don't actually have an issue, either with what you said, or what I think was your intent. I simply pointed out that a sweeping statement and a rebuttal is not a discussion.
FWIW I know that motorcycling is an inherently risky activity, and there is a high probability that some get off on making it more so. However - it has to be said "From whose point of view?". The individual sets their own risk level, since that is what everyone does no matter what it is they are doing, and we'd like to retain that right, instead of having tptb doing it for us. Correct?
Even anarchy has rules...

[Conquiztador]

The individual sets their own risk level, since that is what everyone does no matter what it is they are doing, and we'd like to retain that right, instead of having tptb doing it for us. Correct?

Yep. To me this is fundamental. But at times on here I get the feeling that we can not agree on this.

Luckily there is a move to get rid of some of the rules, and "surprisingly" the amount of accidents have dropped.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...448747,00.html
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...traffic-lights
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1...ffic&topic_set

With some luck there will be some trials on open roads soon...

[MSTRS:Me]

But at times on here I get the feeling that we can not agree on this.

In particular, I think 'we' cannot agree on what level of risk is appropriate. Neither can the authorities...and the bar keeps getting lowered whether 'we' like it or not. Realistically, motorcyclists are not alone...

[Maha]

Every so often, rumblings are bought to the fore about how Motorcyclists conduct themselves on the road whilst out enjoying what some (at times) consider to be their favourite past time.
As the rumblings evolve and each individual has their say, it’s apparent that not all can agree on with what is being said.
On occasion, there seems to be other reason’s/faults as to why mishaps/faux pas occur on the road.
And on occasion, that probably is the case.
But some accidents are due to other factors.
Once bitten twice shy is not always case when it comes to motorcycle accidents.
Some will learn and some will not.
I know of a number of bikers who have had accidents of varying degrees…multiple times.
I also believe that not all motorcyclist give a shit what the Government thinks of them and their antics on the road, that’s a given.
It should be made compulsory for those that survive a motorcycle accident, and are under the care of ACC to undergo an Advanced Rider Training course.
Even if its to ultimately make for safer journeys...

[swbarnett]

Sounds like a challenge to me.

I'll stick to trying to improve the general attitude and conscience of motorcyclists while you stick to trying to change the general publics perception and opinion of motorcyclists.

Lets see who gets the furtherest.

Believe it or not I actually agree that it would be easier to improve the general attitude and conscience of motorcyclists than to change the general publics perception and opinion of motorcyclists.

However, I don't believe either are likely enough for me to expend copious amounts of energy on them.

'Cos the reality is that one of them's got to change, otherwise we're in the fuckin' shit.

Yes, we're headed for the shit. Simply because, as a rule, the society we live in is not tolerant of difference.

There is a third option that, I believe, has more chance of success. I'm all for rider education and tightening the license laws. If some progress is made in this area I'll be among the first to congratulate you and thank you for a job well done. However, I don't believe that we can make enough progress to satisfy the scared control freaks. And if we did, we all may as well all be driving cars.

What is needed is a concerted resistence to any law that preaches intolerance. We need TPTB to know that we are a force to be reckoned with. We need to make them think twice before imposing their fears on us through legislation. Mass civil disobedience to any unjust law is the best tool we have. Think what would've happened if we'd gotten 100,000 bikers on the bikoi.

[swbarnett]

It should be made compulsory for those that survive a motorcycle accident, and are under the care of ACC to undergo an Advanced Rider Training course.
Even if its to ultimately make for safer journeys...

This has to be one of the best things I've seen on KB for a while. Now that's thinking. Not only does it have a chance of reducing recidivism. It actually identifies those that have cocked up and doesn't rely on using a crystal ball.

[Conquiztador]

It should be made compulsory for those that survive a motorcycle accident, and are under the care of ACC to undergo an Advanced Rider Training course.

Now you are thinking! Bling sent.