Free the weed, dope, cannabis, hooch, Fri 4 Feb, outside Auckland District Courts

[bogan]

Its true, use spikes briefly while grannies and soccer mums try it for sleep anxiety etc

But in all countries it seems that new stoners hardly appear, and use actually goes down...

Almost an unofficial decriminalised situation in NZ now anyways, tons of peps get a warning

Got any stats for that?

[Scuba_Steve]

Yes, but, I was questioning if the return from weed becomes lower, why bother to be in the business? Most pot sellers are there for the money are they not? And I cannot imagine them bending over and taking the proverbial government rod up the jacksie.

Just a thought.

returns on weed are relatively low & gangs have small interest in it, they use it as (sorry for the wording) a gateway drug (not in the same sense as propaganda has you believe). Their use of the gateway drug is getting you to their setup where they hope to eventually "up sell" you to the more profitable "P", "E" etc

I could see gangs using the weed sale as a legit front for their "other operations" if brought under the Govt stick as you say

[scissorhands]

Got any stats for that?

naaa i cant be fucked looking, I'm on weed remember? You do it

[SMOKEU]

Yes, but, I was questioning if the return from weed becomes lower, why bother to be in the business? Most pot sellers are there for the money are they not? And I cannot imagine them bending over and taking the proverbial government rod up the jacksie.

Just a thought.

If pot was legally sold at a reasonable price, then the incentive for people to grow and illegally sell it will disappear. It's only expensive because it's illegal, so if the return decreases significantly, then people will no longer bother selling it illegally.

I distill my own spirit, but it's not worth selling it because the risk of getting caught outweighs the potential profit I may gain, and because alcohol is cheap enough to purchase from shops, there is little demand for homebrew. If the prices of alcohol were to double overnight, then sure, I would have people queuing up to buy cheap piss. Since I make alcohol on a small scale, I can't afford to sell it cheap enough in order to increase the demand, because then I will be making too little profit from it.

Weed dealers will then move onto methamphetamine, but since the demand for meth is much lower than the demand for weeds, many drug dealers will go out of business.

[scissorhands]

price will not go down, no way

$20 for 1 gram will not change in NZ

[bogan]

naaa i cant be fucked looking, I'm on weed remember? You do it

I'm quite happy with the current legal status of weed, if you want support to change that, maybe providing some facts is a good place to start?

[mashman]

returns on weed are relatively low & gangs have small interest in it

Oh I dunno about that. Maybe in comparison to expensive pills (I can't believe how expensive your pills are here), but their ingredients cost every time. Once you've got your cannabis setup it's just a case of planting the seeds or taking cutoffs from guaranteed female plants. There must be a couple of grand if not more return from a mediocre plant? and they're likely grown outdoors with next to no upkeep, just pluck dry and sell. If you can sell a couple of grand a day, more than possible, that's a decent living. I woulda thought it was the bread and butter for gangs over pills. Could be wrong, but those I've known that have grown can happily make a nice living off weed alone.

[Usarka]

the irony of it all

[Scuba_Steve]

Oh I dunno about that. Maybe in comparison to expensive pills (I can't believe how expensive your pills are here), but their ingredients cost every time. Once you've got your cannabis setup it's just a case of planting the seeds or taking cutoffs from guaranteed female plants. There must be a couple of grand if not more return from a mediocre plant? and they're likely grown outdoors with next to no upkeep, just pluck dry and sell. If you can sell a couple of grand a day, more than possible, that's a decent living. I woulda thought it was the bread and butter for gangs over pills. Could be wrong, but those I've known that have grown can happily make a nice living off weed alone.

I'm just going on what I've been told by gangs (won't go into names etc). Used to hang out with a few members (they love bikes too ). But weed is left to the lowest ranks & it is not their "money maker" it is their "welcome, come on in" drug, this doesn't mean it doesn't make a pretty penny just it pales in comparison to their other "offerings"

[scissorhands]

Its actually kinda weird where weed has gone..... since it was the number #1 (thats most widely used medicine) around 100 years ago

Nowadays peps bong it on sofas, in clubs

[scissorhands]

I'm just going on what I've been told by gangs (won't go into names etc). Used to hang out with a few members (they love bikes too ). But weed is left to the lowest ranks & it is not their "money maker" it is their "welcome, come on in" drug, this doesn't mean it doesn't make a pretty penny just it pales in comparison to their other "offerings"

I'm not up on figures cause I am no way involved with drug business, but farms supplying dispensaries in Cali get the same per kg as before. That shit was laid down in the beginning when everyone got together.

meth wont go away, weed wont get cheaper, so they can sleep easy I'd say

[mashman]

I'm just going on what I've been told by gangs (won't go into names etc). Used to hang out with a few members (they love bikes too ). But weed is left to the lowest ranks & it is not their "money maker" it is their "welcome, come on in" drug, this doesn't mean it doesn't make a pretty penny just it pales in comparison to their other "offerings"

Fair enough... I was going on the UK "system", although I'd never heard or seen a tinny til I came here, we always bought 1/8th or 1/4 ounces.

[Madness]

I'd never heard or seen a tinny til I came here

A.K.A "bullets" or at least they were when I was at school

[blue rider]

tolerate the shit like they do in the e in the Netherlands. No sales to anyone under 18 (this btw. is rigorously enforced, a coffee shop will loose a license if caught doing silly things), quality controlled weed n hash, prices standardized, osh rules and regulations, and most importantly and hilarious - menu cards. And the government laughs all the way to the bank.

we could of course go the US American "War on Drug" way, lock everyone up for years on end because they were caught with a Jointje and open prisons for profit....whats not to like?

[ducatilover]

returns on weed are relatively low & gangs have small interest in it, they use it as (sorry for the wording) a gateway drug (not in the same sense as propaganda has you believe). Their use of the gateway drug is getting you to their setup where they hope to eventually "up sell" you to the more profitable "P", "E" etc

I could see gangs using the weed sale as a legit front for their "other operations" if brought under the Govt stick as you say

I have heard of some gang grown pot being laced, the ultimate in gateway drug really.

If pot was legally sold at a reasonable price, then the incentive for people to grow and illegally sell it will disappear. It's only expensive because it's illegal, so if the return decreases significantly, then people will no longer bother selling it illegally.

I distill my own spirit, but it's not worth selling it because the risk of getting caught outweighs the potential profit I may gain, and because alcohol is cheap enough to purchase from shops, there is little demand for homebrew. If the prices of alcohol were to double overnight, then sure, I would have people queuing up to buy cheap piss. Since I make alcohol on a small scale, I can't afford to sell it cheap enough in order to increase the demand, because then I will be making too little profit from it.

Weed dealers will then move onto methamphetamine, but since the demand for meth is much lower than the demand for weeds, many drug dealers will go out of business.

Interesting stuff.
I'll start growing tobacco, I enjoy it and it's too expensive. I'm assuming a few out there think the same with weed?
I'm keen to buy or brew alcohol too (except I'd get fat as fuck)