So they found the cunt, and he's sixteen years old

[avgas]

To join the human race.

Let me know if we get to the end.

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[Brian d marge]

the goggles................ they do NOTHING!!!

Its amazing how quickly they can tidy their room ......


Stephen

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[Brett]

I don't care if he is sixteen or if he was drinking at the time. Anyone who can do that sort of thing to another person, let alone a child of 5 years old, should be dealt with severely. I don't want to share my oxygen with him and I don't want anyone else to become his next victim, such as in the case of Junior Tuariki (sp?) who as a young preteen callously beat the pizza guy to death and went on to commit many other offences once released from jail for that initial act.

[Brett]

The government has fucked up big time with criminal justice. I personally know several people who have been severely beaten by large groups of youths for no apparent reason, and the cops do fuck all about it. I used to work in a supermarket where I would often have to work late at night on Friday nights, said supermarket was right next to a big park. About once a month an innocent person would get very badly beaten and robbed by large groups of youths either in the supermarket car park or park itself, and fuck all would get done about it. The offenders might get arrested, then the courts just give them a fine and send them on their way. It's pathetic. The same little cunts would also break into peoples cars, but we all know the cops would much rather go after people with a noisy exhaust and lowered suspension.

Don't get caught doing a burnout in your car though, you'll get the car impounded for 28 days on the spot, a big fine and you'll lose your license for 6 months. Fucking bullshit.

I agree about the justice system being very impotent and ineffective, however remember that there are many many many cops who are equally frustrated by the court system. They spend the time catching the pricks, doing the paperwork, preparing evidence for the case and then the perpetrators are let off with pathetic sentences. Cops fortunately or unfortunately have to work within the bounds of the law. I have 2 coppers in my family, and many more that are aquaintances and I am sure that every time they are hit, spat on or have personal threats made (or all of the above) they wish that they could deliver some road side vengeance. I am sure that many of the cops who caught this 16 year old punk wish they could have driven to Rotorua and 'lost' him in a mud pool, however, everyone suffers when the legal system loses it's integrity. We rely on the cops to operate within the law. There are other forces that will work against this little maggot...when he goes to jail, you can be sure he will become some nasty cunts girlfriend. Karma just works that way.

[tigertim20]

So which one of you is the exception - ie does a shitty upbringing result in shitty kids by default, with the good kid being the exception, or does the good upbringing result in good kids with the bad kid being the exception?

My own case, my brothers and I were raised in a manner that would probably result in court appearances and probably jail time for my parents, but all of us have turned out well, and raised good kids of our own.

I wasnt necessarily arguing that one of us is the exception, I was pointing out that you cannot accurately gauge the qaulity of ones parentage simply by observing one's behavior. Your example exactly proves my point, that nature impacts as much as nurture in the resulting qauaity of a person.

Would it be safe to assume that from a well-balanced nurturing and encouraging environment if little Johnny started displaying signs of violence, anger etc mum and dad would seek guidance for him, whereas from a less caring environment the parents would not notice or if they did just put it down to Johnny rebelling? I realise that you are stating clearly the opposite from your own experience, but I'm willing to bet that a higher percentage of these offenders come from a 'neglected' childhood, per capita.

yes, it is absolutely possible.
I was making my points in response to someone who was suggesting that they could, from this sole act by the offender, accurately pinpoint the quality of the offenders parentage.
my parents did everything possible to help my brother, nothing worked, because he chose not to respond. its definitely possible it was a bad family who didnt care, but equally (and im gonna get flamed for this!) the kid came from a low income area, those kind of areas are already stretched beyond the limit when it comes to resources for social service organisations. the family may very well have cared,. and tried to get the kid help, but due to the low funding and stretched resources, its fuckin near impossible to get help for someone even in an area that isnt riddles with social problems.
I have rambled a bit, in short, yes, it is possible you are right

He sounds like he has done way more than you. Whats holding you back

Call me snobby, but dropping the soap aint my idea of foreplay!!!

[nudemetalz]

The latest :-
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...ccused-hounded

".....Through the prayer he asked God for forgiveness and to make him a "man without hate, anger and stress".

and we're supposed to feel sorry for him?

[Paul in NZ]

The latest :-
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...ccused-hounded

".....Through the prayer he asked God for forgiveness and to make him a "man without hate, anger and stress".

and we're supposed to feel sorry for him?

Not really but we are supposed to forgive him.....

Its kinda hard though.

[nudemetalz]

Not really but we are supposed to forgive him.....

Its kinda hard though.

How do you forgive this ?

"..The Waikato Times has obtained photos of the 16-year-old drinking alcohol with friends and family and one picture with him expressing an anti-police message, from social networking site Facebook.
But the teen – who is charged with rape, burglary and sexual violation causing grievous bodily harm..."

and his Mum says he isn't like that....

and then you read:

"Injuries to the girl's head, face and body required four hours of surgery at Waikato Hospital, but she is understood to be recovering well, and in a statement released this week the family thanked emergency services. "

Sorry Paul, guess I don't forgive easily, especially with having 2 kids under 2. If anyone did anything to them they would learn to know what a 7.62mm lead injection feels like.

[placidfemme]

they would learn to know what a 7.62mm lead injection feels like.

+1

You get my vote for next PM

[Paul in NZ]

How do you forgive this ?

Oh I totally agree,,, I think my feelings on this type of thing are well known.

I am (I like to think) a reasonably compassionate person. I appreciate that this could (although I very much doubt) a one off or that this person is damaged for a variety of reasons. However I also believe that some things are 'unforgivable'.

Redemption or forgiveness is very much a fundemental in christian or western societies. Thats fine but somehow its gone too far and now its almost (for some) that because you can be forgiven then you can do anything because it will eventually be forgiven (if you say sorry) and you can be redeemed? I dunno - I really have not thought that idea all the way out but somethings gone horribly wrong.

No - in this case, even if what we have read is half true a very real and very defined line was crossed. I see no need for redeption here - uncivilised beast that I am....

[nudemetalz]

I hear what you're saying.

I guess the other thing is if we got hold of the 16 year old and (hypothetically) "dealt to him" in our own way,...are we any better?
He's done something horrific to a poor 5 year old, then we do the same (as in punish) to a 16 year old...where does it stop?

I know I've contradicted myself with my previous post, but I guess it's the society we live in now.
The jails appear to be a better life than what he would have normally.
The average cost of keeping a prisoner is $90K per year apparently (as at 2010). When he comes out after a few years (generalising),...what's he going to do?
Be better?
Are the wee ones in Turangi any safer since he served his time?

[Paul in NZ]

The real problem is our own decent natures.

How do we do what needs to be done without becoming worse than the evil we are riding ourselves of?

I guess suspending your belief inevil and adopting a more pragmatic approach? Sorry dude its going to cost too much to keep you for the rest of your natural life so heres a cyanide sandwhich.....

[SMOKEU]

I guess the other thing is if we got hold of the 16 year old and (hypothetically) "dealt to him" in our own way,...are we any better?
He's done something horrific to a poor 5 year old, then we do the same (as in punish) to a 16 year old...where does it stop?

The current government are criminals because they allow these people to roam the streets freely. The government know who the criminals are, they know where to find the criminals, yet they let them off with a slap on the wrist. Therefore the government is an accessory to the crime. Since the government doesn't give a fuck about car thieves, burglars, violent thugs etc it's up to the citizens to stop this thing from happening again.

A normal person will not go around beating up innocent children, and I can guarantee that this thug will continue offending once he is released back into the community. If people are unable or unwilling to act like a civilized person, then they should be eliminated from society. There is absolutely no excuse for this behaviour and he needs to be stopped before he finds another victim. It's a minority of people who cause the majority of problems, and sending him to prison for a year or 2 is not going to change his behaviour.