More shafting in the name of profit

[slofox]

If gummint really thinks it can stop me sharing produce or seeds with my friends, family and neighbours, I can only wish them lotsa luck because I sure as hell will do what I fucking well want with stuff I grow.

[MSTRS:Me]

Well, it won't be the govt that stops you. Their minions, with guns, though...

Really - how many people have got sick and/or died from eating a pot of jam or a cucumber bought at the Farmer's Market (or church stall) ??

I can see their point - and it's pointless. Just one more well-intentioned step on the road to Hell.

[mashman]

The Maoris will cry that it's their right to grow crops, and cheeky whitey shouldn't have the same rights.

bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa. It is their right to grow crops... we should be renting off of them.

If it's the one I'm thinking of I can only see it screwing over farmers markets, individual/independent stalls/shops etc in favor of large corporates/supermarkets etc
Seems to be coming from much the same place as that fucking retarded idea couple years back to force sausage sizzles/fundraisers to have health & safety food training certs

So nothing new then, just a legalised step further forwards to their goal. The cynic in me would think that the purpose of such legislation would be to allow blame to be assigned when it comes down to suing someone... but that would mean we'd need the "right" to sue. OOOOOOOR would think that they're trying to get GE/GM rammed in through the back door. I'll leave the conspiracy theorist in me out of it .

[Brian d marge]

If gummint really thinks it can stop me sharing produce or seeds with my friends, family and neighbours, I can only wish them lotsa luck because I sure as hell will do what I fucking well want with stuff I grow.

Do something about it now rather than nothing now and cry later when some jumped up Butler gives u a twenty dollars ticket
I've read it and it isn't all that bad, just completely unnecessary!!!!
we don't need all this legislation .... just don't need it

Stephen

[slofox]

Do something about it now rather than nothing now and cry later when some jumped up Butler gives u a twenty dollars ticket
I've read it and it isn't all that bad, just completely unnecessary!!!!
we don't need all this legislation .... just don't need it

Stephen

"Do something about it now rather than nothing now" Already have.

And yes, it is unnecessary.

[Virago]

Hysterical nonsense.

Even Green MP Sue Kedgley has said that there is no malevolent intent behind the bill.

[davereid]

Hysterical nonsense.

There does appear to be some hysteria.

But I have read the bill very carefully.

Whether intentional or not, the bills current wording most certainly covers seeds, and it most certainly captures Slowfox swapping his plums for a bottle of the neighbors home-brew.

If these things are not intended to be caught in the net, it should be redrafted so it is clear that they are not caught.

I'm always worried when politicians tell us the bill does not allow something, when clearly it does.

I remember Maurice Williamson assuring us that the photo driver licence would not become an ID card as its use was restricted to Land Transport. That worked out well.
http://nzprivacy.wordpress.com/2011/...tory-of-igovt/


Additionally, this Bill gives government officials quite extensive power of search and seizure.

When you sit it next to the NAIT National Animal Tracking Bill, it appears that Government has given itself a very firm hold of food production, even by people producing small amounts of food. Once again, NAIT gives officials the sorts of powers we used to reserve for foot and mouth emergencies. Except they have them all the time.

[scissorhands]

Wait till hunting and fishing becomes difficult/banned and 'all meat must be purchased from....'

This is aimed at farmers markets specifically, freaken socialist hippies gathering every week, avoiding tax while on sickness benefits, must be stopped

[Drunken Monkey]

Indeed. Kerfuffle over nothing. In fact, even the current Food Act (1981) has specific wording around barter and trade between private individuals, and this has never stopped people doing what people do, nor was that ever the intent.

Straight from Foodsafety:
Barter and swapping food

8. What are the current rules around bartering or swapping food?

The Food Act 1981 currently includes barter in the definition of sale. This definition has not prevented this activity from freely taking place between individual members of the community, that is, those that are not in business.

Under the current Act it is the responsibility of the person bartering or swapping food to ensure it is safe to eat. Many of the existing legal requirements will continue to apply under the Food Bill.

Families, neighbors and communities bartering and swapping food are not required to register under the Food Act 1981 and this will not change under the Food Bill.

9. Does the Food Bill stop families, neighbours and communities bartering or swapping food?

No. It is an age old kiwi tradition for people to grow food for themselves and swap their excess with friends or neighbours. The Food Bill will not prevent this tradition from continuing. People will still be able to swap some lettuces or eggs with a friend or neighbour for some fresh caught fish, for example.

Information on the safe preparation of food, provided as "food handler guidance" tips and advice will be made available from the MAF website free of charge or via territorial authorities throughout the country.

10. Could bartering be excluded from the Food Bill?

If bartering was excluded, it is possible that some commercial food operations might try to avoid their regulatory responsibilities to trade in safe and suitable food by setting up a bartering system to replace other forms of trading. Many of the existing legal requirements for food intended for barter or sale to be handled and prepared in a safe way will continue to apply.



The section on Seeds is being attended to. It was raised when the draft bill went for public consultation in 2010, which seems like due process to me:

Food seeds

7. Were propagation food seeds unintentionally captured by the Food Bill and what happens when such examples are found?

Yes. Propagation food seeds were unintentionally captured by the Food Bill. When this was brought to the attention of the Minister for Food Safety, the Minister requested MAF to develop amendments to the definition of food to ensure propagation food seeds would not be captured by the Food Bill. It is the Ministers' intention to introduce an amended definition by Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) when the Bill is again considered by Parliament. Once tabled in the House the SOP will be available to the public on the Parliamentary website.

Once the new Food Act is in place, when activities are identified as being unintentionally captured the Chief Executive of MAF will have the power to exempt certain activities from all or any requirements of the Act.



Full FAQ here: http://www.foodsafety.govt.nz/policy...ns-answers.htm

Of course, the conspiracy theorists will just cry foul anyway, no doubt.

[ducatilover]

I invite armed cocks to come try get any food I grow, I'll just be terrorised by the scary armed me, plead post traumatic stress and live on ACC for the rest of my life
Fuck them all.

[Scuba_Steve]

Indeed. Kerfuffle over nothing. In fact, even the current Food Act (1981) has specific wording around barter and trade between private individuals, and this has never stopped people doing what people do, nor was that ever the intent.

Then someone tell me, what is the intent? what "problem" is it addressing? Why is it being brought in if "it's all the same" anyways?

[FJRider]

....I didnt see anything about kai-moana mentioned...thats fisheries stuff....

If you believe everything you read ... you had better start checking the facts first. Otherwise you may embarrass yourself quite soon ...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA120...ll-traders.htm

[Hitcher]

FFS.

Read this. http://bit.ly/tOSNst

There's a bunch of other information online that clearly spells out the intent of the Food Bill. Once you've read it you'll quickly notice that most of the people whingeing about this proposed legislation have really no idea what they're talking about.

If you've still got any concerns, then make a submission.

[FJRider]

Interesting reading ...

http://www.justice.govt.nz/policy/co...ghts/food-bill

[Pussy]

FFS.

Read this. http://bit.ly/tOSNst

There's a bunch of other information online that clearly spells out the intent of the Food Bill. Once you've read it you'll quickly notice that most of the people whingeing about this proposed legislation have really no idea what they're talking about.

If you've still got any concerns, then make a submission.

Look, Hitcher... clearly you have absolutely NO IDEA that the sky is falling!
It's an injustice!!!!



Yeah right!