So they found the cunt, and he's sixteen years old

[SMOKEU]

You forget those same people "we could learn a few lessons from" ... are quite happy to stone to death a woman that has been raped, because SHE had sex outside marriage ...

As JR said ... its all about options ... and the one's we have in NZ is take it or leave it. (and I'm staying ... )

There ARE processes to change the one's we don't like ... but if you cant be bothered waiting for any change, or trying to START the change process ... go to the Emirites ...

I'm staying out of Muslim countries.

[FJRider]

I'm staying out of Muslim countries.

Quite a good idea ... as your Avatar indicates a liking (or intention) to breed with Police. Thus ... your likeing for PORK may make you "unpopular" there ...

[terbang]

Well I know what my Saudi, fundamentalist and extremist mates would have done to this particular individual (though they don't really give a rats about a couple of islands in the Pacific). One thing for certain, he and all his cuzzies wouldn't get the opportunity to do it again if they were here. Chop Chop Chop...

[Brian d marge]

A mate of mine and his parents lived in Dubai, which is a big desert. Temperatures there are extremely hot during the day, and so my mates dad was telling me that when he would go shopping he would often leave his car parked in a car park, with the key in the ignition and the engine running in order the leave the air conditioner on. Petrol was very cheap and he had a good job so the petrol cost didn't matter. He would leave the car running for a few hours at a time, unattended.

No one would steal his car. He even told me he left a brand new TV and a few expensive appliances in the back seats in plain view while the car was in a car park for a few hours, unlocked with the engine running, and no one would steal anything. Why? Because over there people are so scared of getting caught, that crime is not a common occurrence. People know that they will be punished very severely, so they behave themselves. It's simply not worth the risk of getting busted just to steal a car or TV over there.

I once went to Singapore about 3 years ago for a holiday. I went on a pub crawl in a busy part of town in the early hours of the morning on a weekend. The pubs were very busy, and I didn't see any disorderly behaviour. Sure, a few people were a bit pissed, but I didn't see any violence or any antisocial behaviour. Again, this is because people fear the laws enough to behave themselves.

because in some country's, TS socially not acceptable
japan, you really don't want to go to prison here, you really don't
but we have one of the largest most corrupt organizations in the world
but street crime is next to nothing, drop your wallet with money inside it will be returned, with money still in.....
why
because people are not marginalized and don't feel the need to commit any sort of crime ( you still get a little )
you marginalized people and you will reap the results
but as for this case, I'm not sure he was right in the head, , you must have serious problems upstairs to even think of doing what he did
a big secure mental hospital might be the order of the day in this case
Stephen

[BoristheBiter]

because in some country's, TS socially not acceptable
japan, you really don't want to go to prison here, you really don't
but we have one of the largest most corrupt organizations in the world
but street crime is next to nothing, drop your wallet with money inside it will be returned, with money still in.....
why
because people are not marginalized and don't feel the need to commit any sort of crime ( you still get a little )
you marginalized people and you will reap the results
but as for this case, I'm not sure he was right in the head, , you must have serious problems upstairs to even think of doing what he did
a big secure mental hospital might be the order of the day in this case
Stephen

So because he felt marginalized it was his to rape a 5 year old girl?

Whether you are or not, you still know right from wrong.
When will people stop making excuses for wankers like this?

I do agree he probably is not right in the head and more likely will do this again if released so therefore should never be allowed out.

[oneofsix]

So because he felt marginalized it was his to rape a 5 year old girl?

Whether you are or not, you still know right from wrong.
When will people stop making excuses for wankers like this?

I do agree he probably is not right in the head and more likely will do this again if released so therefore should never be allowed out.

Nice try at twisting what was said but than you show you understand what Stephan meant in your last sentence.
The attack of the 5 year old had nothing to do with the marginalization comment. You both agreed that the attack of the 5 year old indicates a serious mental problem.
Sadly the more I see of these people that just can not be put right the more I think either locking them up for life or putting them out of our misery argument has merit. Trouble is I don't trust the lynch mob mentality to be able to differentiate between those that are too damaged to be fixed and those that are sensational cases. As an example I would think the lynch mob would have executed the Chamberlains in the Azaria case but now it is looking more and more like it was a dingo, in fact that was the conclusion of the very first inquiry until the interference started and it was after the second inquiry the parents were charged.

[BoristheBiter]

Nice try at twisting what was said but than you show you understand what Stephan meant in your last sentence.
The attack of the 5 year old had nothing to do with the marginalization comment. You both agreed that the attack of the 5 year old indicates a serious mental problem.
Sadly the more I see of these people that just can not be put right the more I think either locking them up for life or putting them out of our misery argument has merit. Trouble is I don't trust the lynch mob mentality to be able to differentiate between those that are too damaged to be fixed and those that are sensational cases. As an example I would think the lynch mob would have executed the Chamberlains in the Azaria case but now it is looking more and more like it was a dingo, in fact that was the conclusion of the very first inquiry until the interference started and it was after the second inquiry the parents were charged.

Neither do I trust the lynch mob, but i trust them more than the apologizer's. (yes i know that's not a real word).

And if you make and excuse for one you make it for all so no I didn't twist his words he said it quit clearly
"but street crime is next to nothing, drop your wallet with money inside it will be returned, with money still in.....
why because people are not marginalized and don't feel the need to commit any sort of crime "

The reason he did it like so many other criminal's is he chose to do it, no one forced him, he didn't need to do it to survive, he made the choice now he should have to face the consequence and at the very least he should never be allowed out.

[mashman]

The reason he did it like so many other criminal's is he chose to do it, no one forced him, he didn't need to do it to survive, he made the choice now he should have to face the consequence and at the very least he should never be allowed out.

Sounds like a law waiting to happen. T'would simplify things where ignorance is no excuse.

[SMOKEU]

It wasn't me who abused poor little Johnny when he was a child. It wasn't me who molested him when he was 8 years old. It wasn't me who was an alcoholic while pregnant with him. It wasn't me who caused his bad upbringing, so why should innocent people have to suffer?

If we can reduce this kind of behaviour, then maybe the next generation of kids won't turn out to be so fucked up because maybe they will have better parental guidance. Right now parents are teaching their children a life of crime, because that's all the parents know. We need to break that cycle.

Case in point. A few years ago I was working for a plumber, when we got called out to a burst water main in a rough part of town. It was by a block of shops, so we took the tools out of the van, and lay them on the ground no more than a metre away from us while we proceeded to work. Not long after, a Maori lady, no more than 20 years of age showed up with a small child, about 3 years of age. I'll assume that they were mother and daughter. They stood about 5m away from us, and the I could hear the mother whisper to the child that she should pick up some of our tools and walk away with them. The little girl then picked up some tools when she thought we weren't looking, and walked away with the tools. I then had to say to the little girl "Hey, give that back. It's not yours." I then had to grab the tool off her, and the mother looked very angry and walked away.

I have also seen road rage incidents where very angry people (usually Maori) are screaming and threatening other people while their own little kids are in the vehicle. So it's the parents teaching the kids to behave like this. If we punish the parents severely enough, then street level crime will be reduced. Right now some parents are encouraging their kids to steal and commit crime, because they know the justice system is too weak to do anything to a 14 year old who steals a car. It's a vicious cycle that is going to continue, and it needs to be stopped.

Even my dog knows right from wrong. We can leave our plate of meat on the table, and he won't eat it because he knows it's not his food. He is a very big dog, so he can easily grab food from said table (it's a pretty low coffee table). If I give him the food and tell him to eat it, he'll happily oblige. So if a dog knows the difference between right and wrong, why is it so difficult for some people?

[oneofsix]

because they know the justice system is too weak to do anything to a 14 year old who steals a car. It's a vicious cycle that is going to continue, and it needs to be stopped.

When they made that law change it was a bad move. They even teach this is schools and why is it the only thing these retards seem to remember from school.
I also think the bad temper from the likes of the mother comes from the bleeding heart, poor cheated moari, type mentality and the retards get to thinking they are 'owed'.

[SMOKEU]

When they made that law change it was a bad move. They even teach this is schools and why is it the only thing these retards seem to remember from school.
I also think the bad temper from the likes of the mother comes from the bleeding heart, poor cheated moari, type mentality and the retards get to thinking they are 'owed'.

A few years ago my neighbours went away on holiday, and their 14 year old son told his dodgy mates that the parents will be on holiday. So these dodgy cunts broke into my neighbours house, stole heaps of alcohol, jewellery, money etc. Cops went round to the offenders houses, seized most of the stolen property and these people admitted to breaking in and stealing (they were about 14-15 years of age). Cops couldn't do fuck all about it. We have a system that encourages people to become criminals, because from a young age they know that the police can't do anything more than take them back to their parents house. Kids these days are rewarded for being criminals, and since they learn this behaviour from a very young age, they tend to continue with this behaviour for the rest of their lives because that's all they know.

My old man was telling me that he was a bit of a troublemaker when he was young teen. He and his mates did something bad, the local cop arrested them, and chucked them all in jail for a night. He was telling me the jail cell was so dark he couldn't even see a finger in front of him. That scared him so much he started behaving himself and never got into trouble again. How's that for cruel and unusual punishment?

[oneofsix]

A few years ago my neighbours went away on holiday, and their 14 year old son told his dodgy mates that the parents will be on holiday. So these dodgy cunts broke into my neighbours house, stole heaps of alcohol, jewellery, money etc. Cops went round to the offenders houses, seized most of the stolen property and these people admitted to breaking in and stealing (they were about 14-15 years of age). Cops couldn't do fuck all about it. We have a system that encourages people to become criminals, because from a young age they know that the police can't do anything more than take them back to their parents house. Kids these days are rewarded for being criminals, and since they learn this behaviour from a very young age, they tend to continue with this behaviour for the rest of their lives because that's all they know.

My old man was telling me that he was a bit of a troublemaker when he was young teen. He and his mates did something bad, the local cop arrested them, and chucked them all in jail for a night. He was telling me the jail cell was so dark he couldn't even see a finger in front of him. That scared him so much he started behaving himself and never got into trouble again. How's that for cruel and unusual punishment?

would be considered cruel and unusual punishment these days but if the little buggers are on course for jail why not give them and early taste. Isn't that called learning? Crawl, walk, run or breast, mashed foods, soft foods, real foods and for most males hopefully, eventually, back to breast (but not for food). Instead we now have a free pass for youths system that says bring on the Fagin type child abuser as in Olive Twist.

[Brian d marge]

would be considered cruel and unusual punishment these days but if the little buggers are on course for jail why not give them and early taste. Isn't that called learning? Crawl, walk, run or breast, mashed foods, soft foods, real foods and for most males hopefully, eventually, back to breast (but not for food). Instead we now have a free pass for youths system that says bring on the Fagin type child abuser as in Olive Twist.

at least taken sort off looked after the boy , his life before Fagan wasn't so hot either
To address boris's concerns
marginalized people are just that ,out side of the main stream
ferals you may have them there by know large groups of people who have simply said " f k this for a laugh " and dropped out , why ? sick of pushing sh1t up hill.
add inter generational, and you get Mexico....yeeehaaa
( if you really want to find out read " five families a Mexican case study" that is New Zealand that is
not much of what you and i perceive as values are perceived in the same way by a marginalised group. ( see the strange rules prisoners have )
must work now . finish this later

[Winston001]

but as for this case, I'm not sure he was right in the head, , you must have serious problems upstairs to even think of doing what he did

a big secure mental hospital might be the order of the day in this case

Its a relief after pages of talking about this kid as though he is a normal 16 yr old to read your point. This crime possibly has some seeds in marginalisation (poverty, dysfunctional family) but at its core, it aint normal. 16 yr old boys do not lust after 5 yr old infants.

As said much earlier, these crimes are not committed by ordinary bad buggers - the thieves, burglars, violent drunks, vandals we are used to. Paedophile offenders are often of low intelligence, negative self-image, shy, and....a bit weird. Its useless for us to talk about them as though they'd understand our anger and the wrongness of the act. They do not think like us.

[BoristheBiter]

Its a relief after pages of talking about this kid as though he is a normal 16 yr old to read your point. This crime possibly has some seeds in marginalisation (poverty, dysfunctional family) but at its core, it aint normal. 16 yr old boys do not lust after 5 yr old infants.

As said much earlier, these crimes are not committed by ordinary bad buggers - the thieves, burglars, violent drunks, vandals we are used to. Paedophile offenders are often of low intelligence, negative self-image, shy, and....a bit weird. Its useless for us to talk about them as though they'd understand our anger and the wrongness of the act. They do not think like us.

What a pile of crap. Do you really believe this as you sound just like another excuse maker.

Just how little do you know on the subject?

http://crime.about.com/od/sex/p/pedophile.htm

Maybe he is just a plain old rapist and it just happened to be a child.

http://www.paralumun.com/issuesprofile.htm

Either way he should not be pitied, understood or to feel like it isn't his fault, he should just be put away never to come out.

A little girl had her virginity ripped away in a most violent way and you have the audacity to make excuses for him.
You and your like just make me sick.