It's soooooo unfair (sniffle)

[HenryDorsetCase]

my personal view is that the existence of demerit points and fines for the same offence sends a mixed message: If you speed it will cost you money which we will extract from you under penalty of loss of life or liberty. Do the crime, cop the penalty. If the pollies were honest they would scrap demerit points and vigorously enforce the velocity tax aspects of the revenue collection stream. In effect, if you can afford it, and you dont commit other offences (careless, reckless, dangerous) then you can drive as fast as you can afford. Easy peasy. OR you have demerit points. We (NuckSmuth and co) are pinning our flag to the mast, 50km/h is safe, 100km/h is safe, but 51 and 101 are not (because that is the point of speed limits, right: safety?). If that is the case then demerit points make sense: you're unsafe: do it more than the mandated times, lose your liberty or life (because state sanction, at root, comes down to those alternatives: don't kid yourself otherwise). But both, at once? wrong wrong wrong.

Meh, whatever.

[Muppet]

seriously? Targeting a minority... great thing to advertise to build public confidence in the force.

bad piggy

It's the minority that cause all the hassle friend and make our ACC levies and insurance premiums rise. If you want to have a cry about it then I have a box of tissues in my office! For example, thanks to the people the minority of people who can't make a bike go around a corner on State Highway 75, you will be seeing the Highway Patrol out there in numbers (I was stopped in Tai Tapu last week at a bike specific checkpoint). Thanks to the 40 worst juvenille criminal offenders in Christchurch who are targeted by the Youth Crime Squad, your insurance premiums go up. If your bike doesn't have a reg or wof and you're unlicenced then I hope you get what you deserve. The sooner police have the power to impound vehicles with no reg, wof or insurance the better, just like the poms do, get the trash off the road I say!

[oneofsix]

It's the minority that cause all the hassle friend and make our ACC levies and insurance premiums rise. If you want to have a cry about it then I have a box of tissues in my office! For example, thanks to the people the minority of people who can't make a bike go around a corner on State Highway 75, you will be seeing the Highway Patrol out there in numbers (I was stopped in Tai Tapu last week at a bike specific checkpoint). Thanks to the 40 worst juvenille criminal offenders in Christchurch who are targeted by the Youth Crime Squad, your insurance premiums go up. If your bike doesn't have a reg or wof and you're unlicenced then I hope you get what you deserve. The sooner police have the power to impound vehicles with no reg, wof or insurance the better, just like the poms do, get the trash off the road I say!

Scary coincidence but just read this about a biker down on Tai Tapu
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/new...ear-Motukarara

But as to that minority that caused the ACC rise they are in the beehive. Look beyond the media hype and political spin.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It's the minority that cause all the hassle friend and make our ACC levies and insurance premiums rise. If you want to have a cry about it then I have a box of tissues in my office! For example, thanks to the people the minority of people who can't make a bike go around a corner on State Highway 75, you will be seeing the Highway Patrol out there in numbers (I was stopped in Tai Tapu last week at a bike specific checkpoint). Thanks to the 40 worst juvenille criminal offenders in Christchurch who are targeted by the Youth Crime Squad, your insurance premiums go up. If your bike doesn't have a reg or wof and you're unlicenced then I hope you get what you deserve. The sooner police have the power to impound vehicles with no reg, wof or insurance the better, just like the poms do, get the trash off the road I say!

Oh bullshit. When the law is blatantly, stupidly unfair, it is your duty as a citizen to disobey. I refer of course to ACC levy/registration, which is only a cash grab. I do see some justification for WOF and driver/rider licencing. So driver licence, sure, WOF, no problem, but you can stick your rego up your bum.

[oneofsix]

It's the minority that cause all the hassle friend and make our ACC levies and insurance premiums rise. If you want to have a cry about it then I have a box of tissues in my office! For example, thanks to the people the minority of people who can't make a bike go around a corner on State Highway 75, you will be seeing the Highway Patrol out there in numbers (I was stopped in Tai Tapu last week at a bike specific checkpoint). Thanks to the 40 worst juvenille criminal offenders in Christchurch who are targeted by the Youth Crime Squad, your insurance premiums go up. If your bike doesn't have a reg or wof and you're unlicenced then I hope you get what you deserve. The sooner police have the power to impound vehicles with no reg, wof or insurance the better, just like the poms do, get the trash off the road I say!

BTW the reason the Poms have that power is that with no ACC no insurance means no injury cover for the third party. Nothing to do with the NZ taxation situation.

[MSTRS:Me]

Oh bullshit. When the law is blatantly, stupidly unfair, it is your duty as a citizen to disobey. I refer of course to ACC levy/registration, which is only a cash grab. I do see some justification for WOF and driver/rider licencing. So driver licence, sure, WOF, no problem, but you can stick your rego up your bum.

I almost concur. But...
Rego is where the funds come from to cover some aspects of roading and all aspects of injury on those roads. Everyone should pay their way. But no-one should be paying any more than anyone else. Equal rights, equal cover, equal responsibility.

[86GSXR]

I almost concur. But...
Rego is where the funds come from to cover some aspects of roading and all aspects of injury on those roads. Everyone should pay their way. But no-one should be paying any more than anyone else. Equal rights, equal cover, equal responsibility.

Totally agree. Especially when one has more than one bike. And cyclists of course.........

[oneofsix]

I almost concur. But...
Rego is where the funds come from to cover some aspects of roading and all aspects of injury on those roads. Everyone should pay their way. But no-one should be paying any more than anyone else. Equal rights, equal cover, equal responsibility.

slight error. Rego doesn't cover "all aspects of injury on those roads", some is also built into fuel costs.
Agreed they lost the idea that other users benefit from our choice to ride and therefore, as the benefit is spread so too should the cost be. Over simplified but the intelligent will get the idea.

[Brian407]

slight error. Rego doesn't cover "all aspects of injury on those roads", some is also built into fuel costs.
Agreed they lost the idea that other users benefit from our choice to ride and therefore, as the benefit is spread so too should the cost be. Over simplified but the intelligent will get the idea.

Ha, wota joke. There's only three intellegent people here. Two are at work and I've just come back from a meeting. The rest have proved beyond a shadow of doubt that they're brain dead and incapable of seeing, or having any logic or common sense. The only idea those fuckwits will 'get' is that civil disobedience, and blaming everybody else for their problems is the answer.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Gotta catch a plane home shortly, and then going fishing for the weekend, so see ya next week.

[MSTRS:Me]

I did forget the fuel. Fair call.
But, a thought. Those that don't bother with expensive inconveniences such as rego may also be amongst those who do 'drive offs'...

[superman]

I think speeding fines should be tax deductible charity donations! Choose a charity and donate. Policing should really focus on demerits. Monetary fines are so vague, $230 means nothing to some people and loads to others.

[ducatilover]

Not a hard and fast rule BUT I've often noticed: Crappy Car = Crappy Driver.

Pull up somebody for no WOF and/or no Rego and often find driver on 1L, disqualified, has 125 demerits, drunk or whatever, often what draws attention to the no WOF and/or no Rego is the crappy driving - blasting through a stop sign, cutting a blind corner, 70+ km in a 50km area, tail-gating or whatever..

Also often find serious faults with the car when it's stopped (maybe that's why no WOF, ergo no Rego??)

It's true, I drive a shitheap (money = bikes, fuck the cars) and I killed 17 young girls (only two were white) yesterday.

I don't think there's much of a correlation between car shitheapness and driving ability. My car is a throbbing turd and I am the most beige driver, not a dangerous lunatic.







Honest.




Donut mongers.

[bogan]

Ha, wota joke. There's only three intellegent people here. Two are at work and I've just come back from a meeting.

So where is the third?

It's true, I drive a shitheap (money = bikes, fuck the cars) and I killed 17 young girls (only two were white) yesterday.

I don't think there's much of a correlation between car shitheapness and driving ability. My car is a throbbing turd and I am the most beige driver, not a dangerous lunatic.

This is what comes from minority targeting, cop sees shitheap, runs it through his smart thingy, car is fine, he forgets about it, next 8 shitheaps the same, number 9 is non compliant so he takes time to pull him over, gives him tickets, and settles back for a nice donut. Endorphines etc released by the donut mean number 9 is the only one he remembers, ergo, all shitheap cars are uncompliant! Because he isn't part of the minority being targeted, he doesn't see the other side to it, pretty much what we get hit with as bikers too.

[nzspokes]

The sooner police have the power to impound vehicles with no reg, wof or insurance the better, just like the poms do, get the trash off the road I say!

Due to this how many offenders fail to stop?

[ducatilover]

Ha, wota joke. There are only three intellegent people here. .

You're not one are you Brian?

This is what comes from minority targeting, cop sees shitheap, runs it through his smart thingy, car is fine, he forgets about it, next 8 shitheaps the same, number 9 is non compliant so he takes time to pull him over, gives him tickets, and settles back for a nice donut. Endorphines etc released by the donut mean number 9 is the only one he remembers, ergo, all shitheap cars are uncompliant! Because he isn't part of the minority being targeted, he doesn't see the other side to it, pretty much what we get hit with as bikers too.

It's a bit silly, I know a chap who has some beaut cars and has never reg'd a car in his life... he's never been caught and is also getting on in years.
Thankfully I have an uber beige shitheap and don't tend to get troubled at the nana speeds I go.