It's soooooo unfair (sniffle)

[oldrider]

I have always said I would prefer personal ACC cover that would give me discounts for no claim etc and my own track record would then be the only thing that counts, not that of the crashing fraternity or the non-paying fraternity, nor would I pay multiple for having multiple vehicles.

True and I agree with that but Nick Smith was afraid to back his own party convictions and tried to lie his way around the issue, blaming motorcyclists!

Nick Smith is a Dickhead and a liar he should have just stuck to the truth and introduced competition and choice!

ACC is just a government controlled "monopoly" that can and does, charge whatever it likes!

How on earth does Deisel influence ACC costs compared to petrol FFS?

[MSTRS:Me]

How on earth does Deisel influence ACC costs compared to petrol FFS?

I believe it doesn't. How could it?
But regos on deisel cars etc went up more than petrol cars because there is no tax at the pump (9.9c/lt ACC on petrol) and ACC want their pound of flesh. Of course, with inflation, that pound turned into a kilo...

[HenryDorsetCase]

I believe it doesn't. How could it?
But regos on deisel cars etc went up more than petrol cars because there is no tax at the pump (9.9c/lt ACC on petrol) and ACC want their pound of flesh. Of course, with inflation, that pound turned into a kilo...

you know why? because the farmers, the heavy transport lobby, and the railways have very very good political connections. Waaaaah they said, its not fair and the gubblemunt kowtowed. IIRC the proposal was the early 90's to introduce the levy on diesel.

Diesel is only cheaper because of the artifificial tax structure. (of course the same argument can and should be made for petrol.... and no, that isnt inconsistent with my position that ACC levy should be removed from registration and added to fuel)

[Scuba_Steve]

Wrote a paper once that asked the council to remove all traffic signs completely, and let the give way rules be the sole determinant. The control freaks insist that more signs is better then less signs. Sigh.

It's such a shame those whom control the roads are neither qualified to do so nor do they have any idea about the job they are paid to do.

[Drew]

Even worse, is the officious CVIU types that don't know the rules they are there to enforce...

It's not just the CVIU, I got a ticket for 114k/h in a 100k/h zone once. I was on my learners licence, and the cop gave me a ticket for 44k/h over the speed limit. If I had half a brain, I could have contested the ticket and easily won, since the first 30k/h were breach of licence conditions, not speeding.

I did once however get off a breach of licence, because my pillion had a full licence. This should not have happened, and an educated cop should know that.

Sums me up - not a ticket issued by me this year - but plenty of warnings/advice.

BAD COP, NO DONUT!!!

[James Deuce]

True and I agree with that but Nick Smith was afraid to back his own party convictions and tried to lie his way around the issue, blaming motorcyclists!

Nick Smith is a Dickhead and a liar he should have just stuck to the truth and introduced competition and choice!

ACC is just a government controlled "monopoly" that can and does, charge whatever it likes!

How on earth does Deisel influence ACC costs compared to petrol FFS?

Nick Smith got demoted for his efforts, so we "won" in that respect.

However in terms of your comments about ACC, you're utterly wrong. There should never be any competition in the health sector. ACC is what allows young women to get breast cancer treatment and diabetics necessary surgery. ACC charges far less and has far less conditions to qualifiy for treatment than any US medical insurance plan.

Competition in anything related to injury and disease is immoral. Especially in countries where unemployment is used to cap inflation. I do not want to see people turned away from ED because they have no insurance, denied cancer treatment because they couldn't afford the cover if they wanted their kids to attend tertiary education. Plans to replace ACC with competition are idiotic at best, and criminal self-interest from health service providing corporations like McKesson's at worst. How is it that ACC stands up to repeated audits from any number of International agencies asked to evaluate an alternate to ACC? Because it is currently the fairest (ignoring the deliberate insult to motorcyclists) system in the OECD. No one is denied treatment and ACC turns a profit which is reinvested in New Zealand. Given that there are NO local insurance businesses left, where do you think health "care" profit will end up? Not here is a given.

[MSTRS:Me]

You are correct. Again. But I do question your reference to ACC in terms of diabetes and breast cancer...

[Drew]

You are correct. Again. But I do question your reference to ACC in terms of diabetes and breast cancer...

I think that the ACC bank account pays for almost all subsidized treatment in NZ doesn't it?

[James Deuce]

You are correct. Again. But I do question your reference to ACC in terms of diabetes and breast cancer...

You'd be surprised where some of the physical therapy, surgical budgets, reconstruction surgeries, and recovery programmes are paid from, along with getting people back to work.

But ACC don't necessarily pay for them directly. But without ACC and in a fully private, competitive health system, you'd HAVE to have insurance to pay for the whole lot. Even Aussies get caught out with not paying for as much Medicare as they can afford and not ending up fully healthy after a health scare as a result. ACC doesn't exist in a vacuum. It protects NZers from the worst excesses of corporatised health care, something that not even the Middle Class in the US can afford.

[MSTRS:Me]

Well, I've not made a study of it all.
However, my understanding of the system is prolly the same as most...
Get sick/acute medical conditions (hospital level sick, that is) = free, from general taxation
Injury = 'free', from ACC
Cosmetic, or chronic medical conditions = free in most cases, long waiting lists. Or go private and pay for yourself/med. insurance.

The public sector hospitals are essentially bulk-funded in part by ACC, but I still don't see them using those funds (as such) for purely medical conditions.

[bikaholic]

Maybe the popo can use the SMART device to issue relevant health chits and pills from the barcode of the rego sticker, or this thread is way of topic.

[Scuba_Steve]

or this thread is way of topic.

This thread started with a Troll

Troll.

can it get off topic???

[bikaholic]

Troll.

Sorry my bad, I thought he was trying to tell us he lived under a bridge.

[rastuscat]

Sorry my bad, I thought he was trying to tell us he lived under a bridge.

I used to, but Mrs Cat insisted that we move into a cave for the sake of the kids.

[scumdog]

Sorry, mate, I won't be able to get there in time to test your claim...

Well, I blew it.

Wrote out a ticket to a motorcylclist for Drove With Wrong Class of Licence 'cos he only had a car licence. $400 ta!

He was on a 450 traillie riding around town.

No:
Rego
WOF
Indicators
Number plate


He was cool, no attitude, wasn't riding like a dick, didn;t try to run/hide..

So I gave him 14 days Compliance to get his Learner motocycle licence. No 'revenue' gathered today.

Why? Cos I wanted to, it's the way I roll.

BTW: Also attended a motorcycle crash just before that - a Shadow off the road, too wide on a bend. Relatively minor injuries and I managed to ride the bike out f the ditch (Man they're way small compared to my H-D)

Sadly yet again no 'cage' to blame....