Should we be changing the Give Way rule? (POLL)

[SMOKEU]

The give way when turning left rule introduced in 1977 was illogical then and is still illogical and I'll be glad when its finally gone and the normal order can be restored.

Why do you think that?

[merv]

Well if you are as old as me you remember how simple the old give way to the right and give way when turning right rule was - you wanted to turn right you indicated your turn and waited for all oncoming vehicles and vehicles turning left in front of you, and the vehicle drivers behind you whether they could pass on your left or not knew clearly that you had to wait. The left turning driver took the turn without hesitation.

The current stupid give way when turning left rule causes so much hesitation and uncertainty. You indicate your left turn - the driver wanting to turn right in front of you has to hesitate in case the driver behind you decides there is room to pull out and pass you and must be given way to, and you have to hesitate in case the right turning driver can pull around in front of you, but then you feel pissed off when the driver behind goes on past you and you stopped unnecessarily. All a total pain in the arse and every step of uncertainty raises a a risk point when a stuff up by anyone is lilely to increase the risk of collision.

The old way (not the current way), about to become the new way (and therefore current way), is about as sensible as it gets in my view.

p.s. and it is more common internationally though as some have said is that justification? Well it is if that way works better.

The other thing I'd like to see is a "left turn on red" rule similar to the "right turn on red" rule in USA but of course mirror image. In that case you stop at a red light - look - if no traffic you then proceed to make your turn hassle free.

[merv]

I just went back and had a look at the other thread on this http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...-changed/page9 and can see some weird comments there saying how great the current rule is that the vehicle turning left can tuck against the curb out of the flow of traffic. Well guys, if there is a flow of traffic going by then the left turner has to be extra vigilant watching mirrors and ahead at the same time because if there is a flow of traffic going by then the left turner can proceed, but lo and behold hesitate for a second and the right turners scream around in front of the left turner anyway cutting through the line of oncoming traffic. This is the extra risk of collision I talk about partly caused by uncertainty and partly by all the extra mirror time required.

[ducatilover]

So what are we going to do when, inevitably, people don't comply with this one?

More tax on petrols, higher ACC and policemen handing out pamphlets on how to correctly give way while you wear your genuine Hi Viz.


Hope you don't get a paper cut mate

[DrunkenMistake]

More tax on petrols, higher ACC and policemen handing out pamphlets on how to correctly give way while you wear your genuine Hi Viz.


Hope you don't get a paper cut mate

Police officer, as a PC country we can not gender discriminate..
they will probably give you those little license scratchy cards, and if you scratch it wrong, thats it no more license

[Scuba_Steve]

The give way when turning left rule introduced in 1977 was logical then and is still logical today, I'll be sad when its finally gone.

Seen your "justification" but still going to have to correct that for you

[merv]

Seen your "justification" but still going to have to correct that for you

Haha, and bullshit to that - man you have some weird views .

[Scuba_Steve]

Haha, and bullshit to that - man you have some weird views .

no just a logical thinker

[Usarka]

The old law would work if everyone complied. We are changing it because people don't use it properly.

So what are we going to do when, inevitably, people don't comply with this one? Just keep changing?

Harumph.

I've never seen anyone get this one wrong. What i do see people getting wrong is thinking the absolute rule is - give way to the right and fuck anything coming from the left..... Maybe this rule will help these people, but it kind of ruins my fun pulling out of uncontrolled intersections in the wagon and getting some holden driver frothing from his jizz covered lips because i didn't give way and getting even angrier when i point and laugh.... Harumph indeed!

[merv]

I'm glad you're such a logical thinker, coz I'm not

Fixed that one for ya!

[Big Dave]

Yes it should be changed. If for no other reason than tourism is a mainstay of the NZ economy.
From a visitor's standpoint it's one of the downright stupidest and possibly one of the most dangerous things in NZ.

[Usarka]

From a visitor's standpoint it's one of the downright stupidest and possibly one of the most dangerous things in NZ.

I thought that would be the residents of turangi........

[Scuba_Steve]

Fixed that one for ya!

now your just twisting my words

Yes it should be changed. If for no other reason than tourism is a mainstay of the NZ economy.
From a visitor's standpoint it's one of the downright stupidest and possibly one of the most dangerous things in NZ.

well in that case we better start speaking their language too, god forbid they become a visitor in a country & have to do things differently
Your one of these people whom when they are a visitor/guest in someone else's home start going "thats not the way we do it at my place" "we don't watch that at my place" aint you???
Maybee they just need to learn the expression "when in Rome"

[merv]

How right you are Big Dave, and Scuba_Steve it seems you are too young to have experienced both the old and the current rules in this country, but have you driven/ridden regularly overseas? If you have then how come you have the view you do?

Big Dave hits the nail on the head with " it's one of the downright stupidest and possibly one of the most dangerous things in NZ".

[Scuba_Steve]

How right you are Big Dave, and Scuba_Steve it seems you are too young to have experienced both the old and the current rules in this country, but have you driven/ridden regularly overseas? If you have then how come you have the view you do?

Nope missed the old/new rules, don't do the overseas thing, just working on logic based on traffic flow & how our intersections are setup. Only thing that needed changing was unmarked intersections.

If it helps I do work with alot of older people who have experience both the overseas & old/new rule who do agree with my view, in-fact more would have the current kept then not by a large margin