Should we be changing the Give Way rule? (POLL)

**Rehab** · 24th January 2012, 20:09

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

If it helps I do work with alot of older people who have experience both the overseas & old/new rule who do agree with my view, in-fact more would have the current kept then not by a large margin

That's unusual? Most old people don't care for the status quo and want everything changed to a new way because they are very adaptable and comfortable with change and not set in their ways at all. They are forever banging on about changing the flag, becoming a republic, and especially how music now is so much better than it was in 'their day'.

**Big Dave** · 24th January 2012, 20:58

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

"when in Rome"

Nah. Not when it's just a bone-head,WTF, idiotic rule.

Stop your chariot so a pleb can turn in front of the gladiator in front of you?
Not likely, Sparticus.

**Scuba_Steve** · 24th January 2012, 21:16

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Nah. Not when it's just a bone-head,WTF, idiotic rule.

logically I call the old/new rule that, it makes little to no logical sense, and I can only see it retarding traffic flow.
But my final decision will wait till post 2nd year, after all the "I can't deal with change" fuckups should be out da way & we're just back to regular "can't drive" fuckups

**Berries** · 24th January 2012, 21:33

Who cares.

It is changing. Half the people on the road can't work out the existing rule. Half won't understand the new one. Ride accordingly and you'll be sweet. Personally I'll be glad to be able to turn left and not have to wait for the dick wanting to turn right to hesitate and faff around when I've got a shorter distance to go and could get around with holding him up anyway.

Anyone who parks the bike up when the rule changes shouldn't be riding anyway.

**Sliver** · 25th January 2012, 08:00

Its a land slide!

**Sliver** · 25th January 2012, 08:04

Lets see if we can get 100 votes

**Trade_nancy** · 25th January 2012, 08:19

To each his own and all that..but for the life of me - I just can't see why anyone biker or cager, would want to keep the stupid rule that is in place now that means we need eyes looking at our rears to see if traffic is approaching behind before we make a decision to turn left or give way to right turning traffic. How do u guys KNOW that the car behind you is not going to flick on his L indicator the very moment you avert your eyes from him..causing the cager to right turn on top of you as you assume you have the left turn right? Nah. Get rid of it.
Or,...sees you in a cage stuck behind another who wants to turn left and u want to go ahead....in a shared turn and straight ahead lane....waiting, waiting,,...

**Sliver** · 25th January 2012, 08:23

Originally Posted by Trade_nancy

To each his own and all that..but for the life of me - I just can't see why anyone biker or cager, would want to keep the stupid rule that is in place now that means we need eyes looking at our rears to see if traffic is approaching behind before we make a decision to turn left or give way to right turning traffic. How do u guys KNOW that the car behind you is not going to flick on his L indicator the very moment you avert your eyes from him..causing the cager to right turn on top of you as you assume you have the left turn right? Nah. Get rid of it.
Or,...sees you in a cage stuck behind another who wants to turn left and u want to go ahead....in a shared turn and straight ahead lane....waiting, waiting,,...

Thanks for you comment and vote.

**Swoop** · 25th January 2012, 09:16

Originally Posted by merv

The other thing I'd like to see is a "left turn on red" rule similar to the "right turn on red" rule in USA but of course mirror image. In that case you stop at a red light - look - if no traffic you then proceed to make your turn hassle free.

Totally agree on that one Merv. On quiet days I do exactly that, Sunday morning especially, since there are quite a few sets of lights strategically positioned to stuff-up the traffic flow up this way.
Come to a complete stop, then check for traffic.

I doubt that we will ever see it happen in NZ though.

**oneofsix** · 25th January 2012, 09:22

Originally Posted by Swoop

Totally agree on that one Merv. On quiet days I do exactly that, Sunday morning especially, since there are quite a few sets of lights strategically positioned to stuff-up the traffic flow up this way.
Come to a complete stop, then check for traffic.

I doubt that we will ever see it happen in NZ though.

They have discussed it but then backed away. Suspect they look at comments like those on this site on how bad NZ drivers are and figure we couldn't handle it.

**Swoop** · 25th January 2012, 09:26

Originally Posted by oneofsix

They have discussed it but then backed away. Suspect they look at comments like those on this site on how bad NZ drivers are and figure we couldn't handle it.

They would be correct with 99.9% of kiwi drivers.

**oneofsix** · 25th January 2012, 09:50

Originally Posted by Swoop

They would be correct with 99.9% of kiwi drivers.

I understand the sentiment and know we use those sort of figures as generalizations but whilst we aren't the worlds best we are also not really that bad. There is a low percentage that stuff it up for the rest of us. As a general rule I think we could handle it.

**merv** · 25th January 2012, 12:15

Originally Posted by Trade_nancy

To each his own and all that..but for the life of me - I just can't see why anyone biker or cager, would want to keep the stupid rule that is in place now that means we need eyes looking at our rears to see if traffic is approaching behind before we make a decision to turn left or give way to right turning traffic. How do u guys KNOW that the car behind you is not going to flick on his L indicator the very moment you avert your eyes from him..causing the cager to right turn on top of you as you assume you have the left turn right? Nah. Get rid of it.
Or,...sees you in a cage stuck behind another who wants to turn left and u want to go ahead....in a shared turn and straight ahead lane....waiting, waiting,,...

Man of my own heart - good on ya

**Coolz** · 25th January 2012, 12:55

[QUOTE=merv;1130241764

The current stupid give way when turning left rule causes so much hesitation and uncertainty. You indicate your left turn - the driver wanting to turn right in front of you has to hesitate in case the driver behind you decides there is room to pull out and pass you and must be given way to, and you have to hesitate in case the right turning driver can pull around in front of you, but then you feel pissed off when the driver behind goes on past you and you stopped unnecessarily. All a total pain in the arse and every step of uncertainty raises a a risk point when a stuff up by anyone is lilely to increase the risk of collision.

The old way (not the current way), about to become the new way (and therefore current way), is about as sensible as it gets in my view.

[/QUOTE] Couldnt have said it better. The new T intersection rule also makes alot of sense.